(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]PW[artem92]PB[egogames]WR[七段]BR[七段]DT[2010-03-14]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[白胜7.50];B[pd]BL[1197.914]C[artem92 [7d]: hi ggegogames [7d]: hihi];W[dc]WL[1162.001];B[pq]BL[1194.479];W[dq]WL[1132.577];B[qo]BL[1190.775]C[moonscar [-]: hello everyone.];W[cf]WL[1106.435];B[co]BL[1183.534];W[ep]WL[1084.447];B[jq]BL[1171.498]C[evanj [2d]: artem the slow implacable ukranian will win againkane955 [2k]: i dont think artem is slow anymoreevanj [2d]: you see him coming and still can't stop him];W[qf]WL[1039.96];B[qi]BL[1158.59]C[ibd [7k?]: but you can't dodge him eitherevanj [2d]: q14! artem style];W[nd]WL[1012.187];B[qe]BL[1145.063]C[moonscar [-]: i favor white currently, let's see how this plays out];W[pf]WL[999.132];B[oe]BL[1143.54]C[Omniscient [2k]: hm?Omniscient [2k]: why would B strengthen W with R15 instead of just moving out at P15?];W[qc]WL[972.401]C[moonscar [-]: expected this move. :D];B[pc]BL[1133.193]C[ibd [7k?]: oOevanj [2d]: fine line bewteen strengthening and making heavy];W[re]WL[964.462];B[qd]BL[1132.012]C[Sandmann [-]: awesome! first time i see this in a game];W[rd]WL[957.199];B[rc]BL[1131.369]C[Femto [2k]: maybe black discovered a new move? ^^Sandmann [-]: o14!];W[nf]WL[950.728];B[ne]BL[1130.223];W[me]WL[942.201];B[md]BL[1129.647]C[ibd [7k?]: a new joseki?ibd [7k?]: or an old onetobe30k [1d]: hmm this form look like joseki, no?];W[of]WL[927.012];B[nc]BL[1126.227]C[tobe30k [1d]: i saw it once todayevanj [2d]: everything old is new again];W[ld]WL[915.242];B[mc]BL[1124.278]C[Omniscient [2k]: looks like B came out on top?..Omniscient [2k]: he had some nasty shape problems with W R18Omniscient [2k]: but all the aji is gone nowevanj [2d]: dunno, the top left shimari is looking goodcalgacus [-]: looks bad for wXoc [2k?]: doesnt look joseki];W[lc]WL[886.421];B[le]BL[1122.628]C[evanj [2d]: but so is R11];W[mf]WL[876.709];B[ke]BL[1121.948];W[jc]WL[846.762];B[jd]BL[1116.883];W[kb]WL[837.408]C[ibd [7k?]: Sandmann, lieber Sandmannibd [7k?]: es ist noch nicht so weitcalgacus [-]: this looks strategically wrong for begogames [7d]: hi everyone, i am offering lesson on kgs, checkout www.egogames.com for detail.];B[lb]BL[1092.841]C[kane955 [2k]: ^^moonscar [-]: advertisement while playing.. lolOmniscient [2k]: oohodnihs [2d]: lol?];W[mb]WL[826.002];B[la]BL[1091.383]C[evanj [2d]: guess he thinks he's going to win :Dtobe30k [1d]: hmm...Omniscient [2k]: O18?tobe30k [1d]: but he cant see we discuss about it, right?evanj [2d]: rightodnihs [2d]: yepibd [7k?]: is his egogames' ego big?evanj [2d]: unless he looks afterwardsibd [7k?]: -histolkienist [7k]: he friended me on facebooktolkienist [7k]: i've never even met the guyibd [7k?]: I friended his mom on facebookevanj [2d]: ew];W[ma]WL[738.959]C[tobe30k [1d]: o18 then connect is ok ];B[kc]BL[1088.98];W[ka]WL[732.751];B[lb]BL[1087.869];W[la]WL[727.871];B[kd]BL[1086.759];W[lb]WL[722.564]C[evanj [2d]: j17?Femto [2k]: can w do this?Mr12345678 [6d]: i think sojim67234 [1k]: wrong moveKantid [4k]: artem can do anything he wanttobe30k [1d]: still ajiMr12345678 [6d]: that was part of my reasoning :Ptypohh [11k]: isnt that a bit too heavy XPXoc [2k?]: like making bad shapeevanj [2d]: this is classic artemevanj [2d]: he eats bad shape for breakfastKantid [4k]: that sounds strange somehowGatsu [-]: p18 W];B[ic]BL[932.064];W[oc]WL[713.196]C[evanj [2d]: ooooh];B[od]BL[917.785];W[ob]WL[712.065]C[Omniscient [2k]: aji reactivated :Pbob32142: r18 ];B[pb]BL[905.489];W[nb]WL[704.716]C[evanj [2d]: cage fighttobe30k [1d]: ko?bob32142: i say sacrificeevanj [2d]: r18 o16 k18?bob32142: yea];B[nd]BL[869.874]C[Vinata [5d]: o16  no question];W[hb]WL[699.456]C[Omniscient [2k]: S18evanj [2d]: can't s18 yetHayek [4k?]: ko?bob32142: w aims for x2 koXoc [2k?]: both have beautiful shape.Sandmann [-]: wow];B[ib]BL[834.774]C[calgacus [-]: w in painevanj [2d]: i wouldn't want to be either b or w :Dtobe30k [1d]: crawlll];W[ia]WL[679.885]C[ibd [7k?]: this must be a korean josekibob32142: i choose otherbob32142: lol];B[hc]BL[821.049]C[ibd [7k?]: where both sides come out bad];W[gb]WL[672.069];B[gc]BL[818.561]C[piku [2k]: seems b is in advantage];W[fc]WL[651.214]C[evanj [2d]: well, crawling on second line rarely leads to advantage];B[fd]BL[815.688]C[kokonut [5k]:  had lost the game];W[ec]WL[642.973]C[tobe30k [1d]: but gote for b, no?];B[jb]BL[811.575]C[play234 [-]: yesTwilumina [8k]: sente for b];W[ja]WL[637.086]C[Twilumina [8k]: ?evanj [2d]: eventually b will have to fix UR];B[qb]BL[807.551]C[Twilumina [8k]: ohbob32142: wowbob32142: w cryingOmniscient [2k]: L13evanj [2d]: nice sequence *clap clap*Twilumina [8k]: artem furiouskostuek [-]: n11];W[kg]WL[593.856]C[kostuek [-]: crapOmniscient [2k]: :Ptobe30k [1d]: both now have inside and outsideevanj [2d]: w does not seem to be in a very good spot];B[mh]BL[796.829];W[oi]WL[581.307]C[miao [5d]: l13 bad];B[oh]BL[788.122]C[evanj [2d]: because it leaves shape vulnerabilities?play234 [-]: w already desperate? ;)];W[ph]WL[566.515]C[Footlover [4k]: what was better then L13? ];B[pi]BL[771.371]C[piku [2k]: b just made a big mistakemiao [5d]: because he tries to attack a almost alive groupTwilumina [8k]: n11 looked betterTwilumina [8k]: then l13piku [2k]: so w a little relaxed];W[oj]WL[553.94]C[Kantid [4k]: nag, artem always giving some handi to his opponent in fusekiOmniscient [2k]: O12evanj [2d]: i fear b will get a lot of cash out of thisplay234 [-]: so, who will win this upcoming fight?Twilumina [8k]: artem!calgacus [-]: n12 was an overplay imo];B[ni]BL[733.336]C[miao [5d]: n13 was hyper activemiao [5d]: yes];W[qh]WL[532.473];B[pk]BL[721.277]C[andrew [1d]: never wise to underestimate one's opponenttobe30k [1d]: did someone said, that it is cosmic go style?ibd [7k?]: b seems ahead now, right?];W[ok]WL[489.668]C[DFGHJ: yes];B[pl]BL[710.322];W[ol]WL[479.999]C[fatihsulak [-]: if white cannot capture o11 he is in big trouble Omniscient [2k]: looks difficult..andrew [1d]: I disagree with that analysisParadize [1k]: B not ahead to meOmniscient [2k]: W is getting nothing out of this exchangecalgacus [-]: w has m14 or s13 as miaiOmniscient [2k]: B gets free territory on rightdawid963 [2k]: w in troubleParadize [1k]: i count 30 points each playuersandrew [1d]: white's success does not depend on capturing o11Omniscient [2k]: W gets a wall that faces a living B group];B[pm]BL[623.496];W[lk]WL[470.764]C[tobe30k [1d]: you mean o11?];B[kh]BL[611.754]C[craig [4k]: what living b group is that omniscient?];W[lg]WL[462.843]C[Omniscient [2k]: K16Twilumina [8k]: white success on killing allcraig [4k]: i don't think his wall faces that way....tobe30k [1d]: there is a wall facing that?dawid963 [2k]: l10BAM0 [5d]: B too optimisticwikipwnia [6k]: i thought meant k7EdhelDil [3k]: w can attacj o11group + top left groupwikipwnia [6k]: i mean q7];B[jh]BL[567.541]C[DeadTired [2d]: well, maybe not facing, more like squinting that way.];W[jg]WL[452.293];B[ih]BL[562.817];W[ig]WL[444.664]C[Omniscient [2k]: any moves in K13 area are damewikipwnia [6k]: p8 looking thinfatihsulak [-]: g15 ];B[hh]BL[556.054];W[hg]WL[436.763]C[catsoldier [7k]: starting to look more like facingcraig [4k]: loltobe30k [1d]: so romanticcraig [4k]: yes, now it's gotten quite long];B[ie]BL[528.037]C[Omniscient [2k]: B would probably do well to play J15, thoughOmniscient [2k]: yeah];W[gh]WL[428.437]C[craig [4k]: and b blinks first];B[hj]BL[522.922]C[semakute [4k]: b look so bigibd [7k?]: p6Footlover [4k]: TWSSibd [7k?]: c8play234 [-]: w  has no solid cash except UL. play234 [-]: looks toughsemakute [4k]: w has weak groupcatsoldier [7k]: not much unsolid cash eithercraig [4k]: w gets to continue to torture b in the middle];W[fj]WL[358.266]C[Omniscient [2k]: uh, other way around, craigplay234 [-]: torture b? no now b will torture w];B[ml]BL[504.205]C[craig [4k]: to each their own oppinion ;)];W[mk]WL[345.827]C[wikipwnia [6k]: i doubt white enjoys his situationOmniscient [2k]: i'd like to see you say that when you lose your games craig [4k]: bet he's smiling right nowOmniscient [2k]: "it's my opinion that I won"tobe30k [1d]: you doubt artem?wikipwnia [6k]: i think artem ownswikipwnia [6k]: and i want him to winwikipwnia [6k]: but this looks unpleasantandrew [1d]: for the most part, artem's shape is quite good];B[hl]BL[454.301]C[semakute [4k]: what about n8Omniscient [2k]: w group looking pretty glum right nowtypohh [11k]: whites position looks much more difficult to play than blackstobe30k [1d]: wow large scale attack];W[nn]WL[311.561]C[Omniscient [2k]: and in either case, looks like B will get solid 5th line territory on the bottom all the way to the middleevanj [2d]: o4 is temptingtromp [-]: b gonna cash in on this];B[om]BL[430.518]C[andrew [1d]: h8 is nice. good strategy.];W[nm]WL[302.285]C[Omniscient [2k]: with no chance for W to play Q2 or any reducing tesuji];B[lm]BL[427.017]C[chiron [-]: it assume w diesshakti [5d]: w like to run ahead on territory and then manage his weak groups well enough to win the game, its a nice strategy];W[ln]WL[261.003]C[tromp [-]: last 2 b moves dont feel rightdiemorph [2k]: amashi, name of strategychiron [-]: w can peeo=p at j9 and then cut at m12typohh [11k]: can b play anything but l7?];B[ll]BL[353.625]C[evanj [2d]: yestobe30k [1d]: see?Thirteen [-]: empty traingle];W[nl]WL[247.827]C[Weishenme [4d]: L6vingol [1d]: fighting triangle];B[mo]BL[346.932]C[evanj [2d]: wowsemakute [4k]: yestobe30k [1d]: the famous techniquezum [?]: fighting triangle is the new empty trianglecraig [4k]: see, n5 actually has a target on it!SqueezeIt [1d]: boomerangvingol [1d]: only when it workstobe30k [1d]: b now enjoys the gamephilemon [6k]: how could B lose that game ?];W[kj]WL[167.511]C[Footlover [4k]: nice];B[lh]BL[335.441]C[evanj [2d]: i really think b is overplaying here];W[ik]WL[159.608]C[kovala [6k]: Hoston "w"e have problem  hereEdhelDil [3k]: he is ;) m12 loomsjamesbonds [5k?]: goodsophtpaw [4k]: which won is the win?evanj [2d]: next L7kingme2 [3k]: b winningtobe30k [1d]: fierce fightThirteen [-]: make niose in the east attack in the westphilemon [6k]: B will build the bottom and  hurt the leftsophtpaw [4k]: is that from the Art of War?];B[hk]BL[282.673]C[tromp [-]: l6?mypod [2d]: and lose n8philemon [6k]: yes n8 will diekingme2 [3k]: n8 not that importanttobe30k [1d]: l7  now?Omniscient [2k]: well right now it's dying in a dead shape :POmniscient [2k]: so w's problems are not overThirteen [-]: idkcraig [4k]: how about h6 and w kill all...semakute [4k]: w try to attack triangle groupThirteen [-]: k7?craig [4k]: okay, maybe notParadize [1k]: k7 naturalAcidBee [2d]: l6 daladim [1d]: lol @ craigCardiffGo [4k]: W L6?philemon [6k]: W wants time to play c7evanj [2d]: l think L6 onlychiron [-]: h6 n6kovala [6k]: l6];W[kl]WL[55.528]C[Thirteen [-]: whoatobe30k [1d]: all wrong];B[km]BL[268.324];W[jm]WL[52.293];B[kn]BL[267.039]C[evanj [2d]: apparentlyAcidBee [2d]: wow];W[il]WL[45.09]C[philemon [6k]: now bottom hugeEdhelDil [3k]: wowkovala [6k]: so w wants killParadize [1k]: Artem is back !];B[hm]BL[253.018]C[jamesbonds [5k?]: goodchiron [-]: apparently its a leaning attack on h8Omniscient [2k]: take O10 senteZenChocobo [6k]: k6kingme2 [3k]: k5 lakingme2 [3k]: I mean k6];W[jn]WL[12.551]C[blink [3d]: res];B[ko]BL[249.838]C[kingme2 [3k]: lose lasemakute [4k]: separate b ];W[jo]WL[2.386];B[hp]BL[233.688]C[evanj [2d]: result of b overplay...Fukurokuji [2k]: no nokingme2 [3k]: loser...kingme2 [3k]: resignnegnet [2d]: :)Thirteen [-]: great now the corner is in troubleevanj [2d]: what are you talking aboutsophtpaw [4k]: i want to see less 'ego' games and more 'eko' game];W[jp]WL[30]OW[2];B[kq]BL[227.644]C[evanj [2d]: hahaha so solidsemakute [4k]: if this group die the game is over];W[ho]WL[30]OW[2];B[go]BL[224.528]C[evanj [2d]: don't get your hopes up];W[kp]WL[30]OW[2];B[lp]BL[221.122]C[evanj [2d]: aliveibd [7k?]: m3Clark [1k]: m5Clark [1k]: :Ddaladim [1d]: clark ><evanj [2d]: m5 is brilliantClark [1k]: yesjamesbonds [5k?]: ...\indianayk [4d]: a painful way to survivewikipwnia [6k]: g4mypod [2d]: o10];W[ip]WL[30]OW[1]C[kingme2 [3k]: h3?philemon [6k]: yestobe30k [1d]: survive? and i thought, w is attackingClark [1k]: g4wikipwnia [6k]: philemon! the slavewikipwnia [6k]: pro nameOmniscient [2k]: H6Paradize [1k]: one move ...];B[gp]BL[163.463]C[Paradize [1k]: ohkingme2 [3k]: icic];W[iq]WL[30]OW[1]C[evanj [2d]: b changing focus to corner];B[eo]BL[152.884]C[EdhelDil [3k]: if w survives he can then attack all aroundtypohh [11k]: b starting to get worried about his own grouptobe30k [1d]: cut and end in gote :Dkingme2 [3k]: c4 lasophtpaw [4k]: can w cut? m3?];W[cp]WL[30]OW[1]C[kingme2 [3k]: connectchiron [-]: bien appelleephilemon [6k]: now left will become blackcraig [4k]: black prisoners?evanj [2d]: m3 forces m2 n3 n4kingme2 [3k]: d10 might be better?wikipwnia [6k]: what happens if black o10?evanj [2d]: gets messy];B[gi]BL[109.315]C[kentia [4k]: d8];W[fi]WL[30]OW[1]C[kingme2 [3k]: icicEdhelDil [3k]: k10... troublesome?pukram [2k]: i guess if m3 now b just sacrifies 2 stones.evanj [2d]: probably];B[gg]BL[84.062]C[evanj [2d]: though then he loses all aji against that groupParadize [1k]: yes but B has only these stonestypohh [11k]: is w k7 alive already?!?];W[fh]WL[30]OW[1];B[gf]BL[83.331]C[Clark [1k]: yes];W[og]WL[30]OW[1]C[tobe30k [1d]: joptobe30k [1d]: for nowkovala [6k]: h6 m3 miai];B[dj]BL[62.917]C[Vibration [5k]: m3 is nothingevanj [2d]: well w can j2 if he has tophilemon [6k]: end of the gamekingme2 [3k]: I don't like d10 now];W[di]WL[30]OW[1];B[ci]BL[61.022]C[sophtpaw [4k]: b wants to play in that area firstevanj [2d]: at the moment w has only one eyekingme2 [3k]: better before];W[cj]WL[30]OW[1]C[Paradize [1k]: new round !kingme2 [3k]: now w is stronger I think];B[dk]BL[35.863];W[ch]WL[30]OW[1];B[bi]BL[33.78]C[tobe30k [1d]: ego must win to get disciplespowrsalmon [4d]: ego is coolevanj [2d]: yeah he staked a lot on this game :D];W[dg]WL[30]OW[1];B[ei]BL[24.061];W[dh]WL[30]OW[1];B[bo]BL[20.107]C[Thirteen [-]: how old is artem?xDragon [8k?]: 17daladim [1d]: 17 ];W[gr]WL[30]OW[1]C[TheTuss [6k]: 70xDragon [8k?]: its in his profileAune [12k]: 92Thirteen [-]: ohkovala [6k]: 1999992mafizzle [10k]: 1?sophtpaw [4k]: there are 91 other artems?xDragon [8k?]: artem was born in 1992.xDragon [8k?]: people act like numbers cant mean anything];B[lq]BL[30]OB[2]C[kovala [6k]: yeah erte m is popular name in ukraineOloril [2k]: Yes, it's a massive cloning program designed to build superior players.kovala [6k]: *artemClark [1k]: russia tooEdhelDil [3k]: b10 will be big];W[bp]WL[30]OW[1]C[tobe30k [1d]: goteevanj [2d]: artem is stronger than you were at his ageSimoff [5k?]: falseEdhelDil [3k]: will...];B[fp]BL[30]OB[2]C[kovala [6k]: b10 not big and its goteParadize [1k]: B9pukram [2k]: well.. not so gote ..Simoff [5k?]: since B has to live];W[fq]WL[30]OW[1]C[tobe30k [1d]: why not b9 actuallyevanj [2d]: totally gote];B[ck]BL[30]OB[2]C[xDragon [8k?]: c9 better];W[do]WL[30]OW[1];B[dn]BL[30]OB[2]C[craig [4k]: well, except for roln, artem is stronger than anyone watching, at any agetobe30k [1d]: lolevanj [2d]: do itevanj [2d]: do itevanj [2d]: do itsophtpaw [4k]: now they can play eko gamesophtpaw [4k]: c6];W[dp]WL[30]OW[1]C[evanj [2d]: booOmniscient [2k]: awwwwwwwwwsemakute [4k]: i will play like artem in one dayFemto [2k]: chicken :Ppukram [2k]: yes sorry ^^'uzmest [2k]: ='(powrsalmon [4d]: no wtf that couldnt have happenedThmayu [3d]: in just one day?kovala [6k]: artem style. safety first];B[en]BL[30]OB[2]C[evanj [2d]: i'm not saying that e6 was a good move, just that i wanted him to play it :D];W[hn]WL[30]OW[1]C[xDragon [8k?]: i can play like artem in the first 2 movestobe30k [1d]: thats not artem style];B[gn]BL[30]OB[2]C[xDragon [8k?]: after that it gets ugly];W[fl]WL[30]OW[1]C[kovala [6k]: yes it is :Psophtpaw [4k]: f7Paradize [1k]: gote];B[fm]BL[30]OB[2]C[Paradize [1k]: ...xDragon [8k?]: his peaceful play is why artem is my favorite playerandrew [1d]: s9?];W[ao]WL[30]OW[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: s11andrew [1d]: does it work?lapindix [7k]: who said "looser" and "resign" ?Thorvald [7k]: isn't p5  big ?];B[bn]BL[30]OB[2]C[andrew [1d]: I am curious, i think s9 worksRyuuGan [1d]: e8 ?];W[an]WL[30]OW[1];B[am]BL[30]OB[2]C[xDragon [8k?]: doesnt seem that big thorvald];W[ap]WL[30]OW[1]C[kovala [6k]: s9 r10?Uberdude [2d?]: if b gets sente a12 is bigClark [1k]: r10xDragon [8k?]: itll prob be played soon but bigger moves...Quaternion [4k]: t11turntable [3k]: h2 ];B[bm]BL[30]OB[2]C[ark [18k]: o12?];W[mn]WL[30]OW[1];B[lo]BL[30]OB[2]C[xDragon [8k?]: o12 small and goteUberdude [2d?]: o12 is not big anymorewjkgs1: s11];W[on]WL[30]OW[1]C[Uberdude [2d?]: w should have played it earlier though i feelUberdude [2d?]: when it was senteark [18k]: o14 lives?Thorvald [7k]: p4 kostuek [-]: it was sente?EdhelDil [3k]: o6??];B[pn]BL[30]OB[2]C[sophtpaw [4k]: how far behind is b?lemuria [4d?]: w aiming for q2 i guesstypohh [11k]: how many points is b f9 worth?FrodosGban [14k]: 2.5xDragon [8k?]: ark, yea o14 is alivetobe30k [1d]: lolpukram [2k]: o12 will be soon big and snete maybe . timing is so hard !catsoldier [7k]: r10];W[ri]WL[30]OW[1];B[rj]BL[30]OB[2]C[Uberdude [2d?]: it was sente when black was attackinf p11 group];W[rh]WL[30]OW[1]C[tobe30k [1d]: still end up gote with s13 or sth like thatibd [7k?]: .5ibd [7k?]: p5];B[cc]BL[30]OB[2]C[ibd [7k?]: whatsophtpaw [4k]: c17?];W[de]WL[30]OW[1]C[sophtpaw [4k]: missclick?kostuek [-]: i thought it was life in gotebbred [5k]: w j2?craig [4k]: that might have been an overplayOmniscient [2k]: trying to chain up something with B11Omniscient [2k]: it's just a burned ko threat at worst];B[be]BL[30]OB[2]C[dawid963 [2k]: but time disturbs];W[af]WL[30]OW[1]C[pukram [2k]: as yose mobe, it threatens n11, which is not very small.EdhelDil [3k]: b12'Omniscient [2k]: cute];B[cd]BL[30]OB[2]C[Quaternion [4k]: c18?dawid963 [2k]: b livesRyuuGan [1d]: b18 Thirteen [-]: they should add five minutes to both of their times];W[bf]WL[30]OW[1]C[tobe30k [1d]: die hardkenshin9 [12k]: thats wat she said...typohh [11k]: why didnt b push before c16?];B[db]BL[30]OB[2]C[mafizzle [10k]: ftypohh [11k]: obv there was a reason, but what was it?];W[bb]WL[30]OW[1];B[cb]BL[30]OB[2]C[sophtpaw [4k]: oh, meine Guete.. lebt schwarz in der Ecke?];W[ae]WL[30]OW[1]C[daladim [1d]: d16 Thmayu [3d]: i'm kind of thinking white took the invasion too lightlymafizzle [10k]: 526 observersFighter [6d?]: koEdhelDil [3k]: no Mofioi [4k]: e18pukram [2k]: e18?semakute [4k]: alotnevrgiveup [8d?]: d16 and e15 cutsophtpaw [4k]: yes ,w response to invasion seemed casual?tromp [-]: at least ko for bnegnet [2d]: Mafizzle, thanks for counting!Step [3d]: d16 sophtpaw [4k]: e18 sente?];B[ad]BL[30]OB[1]C[daladim [1d]: same idea as nvrgiveuppdf4 [17k]: time wowErikosatou [5k]: d16 e16 e15 f15 f18 g16 e18 ];W[ac]WL[30]OW[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: c15pukram [2k]: ok nevergiveup , thanks !Leibnix [7k]: go Artem! kill the corner!dawid963 [2k]: seems kophilemon [6k]: now d16-e15Thmayu [3d]: go egogamessophtpaw [4k]: kill his ego!];B[bd]BL[30]OB[1]C[Omniscient [2k]: osht :P];W[eb]WL[30]OW[1]C[ibd [7k?]: seki seki sekikostuek [-]: d18 feels better at b18holynec [?]: no searing omniscient];B[ba]BL[30]OB[1]C[xDragon [8k?]: i always read it as e-go games. as in electronicholynec [?]: *swearingibd [7k?]: ko ko ko];W[da]WL[30]OW[1]C[sentra [1d]: livegryn [2k]: uhThmayu [3d]: there we go];B[ab]BL[30]OB[1]C[underwater [-]: aliveOmniscient [2k]: ko againgryn [2k]: not komafizzle [10k]: yesnegnet [2d]: aliveThirteen [-]: ko!!!holynec [?]: aliveholynec [?]: b17Mofioi [4k]: no ko];W[aa]WL[30]OW[1];B[fg]BL[30]OB[1]C[uzmest [2k]: kofatihsulak [-]: white cannot afford to lose typohh [11k]: wut?kevinwm [4k]: ignore?Clark [1k]: d16 local threat];W[eg]WL[30]OW[1];B[ab]BL[30]OB[1]C[Clark [1k]: e13?...Mofioi [4k]: why not simply b17 Nlapindix [7k]: cannot ignorebbred [5k]: p43EdhelDil [3k]: t17];W[oq]WL[30]OW[1]C[gryn [2k]: no d16 badmafizzle [10k]: j11gryn [2k]: then it's ko];B[op]BL[30]OB[1]C[uzmest [2k]: b17 is ko tooDeadTired [2d]: still ko after b17, right?];W[aa]WL[30]OW[1]C[sophtpaw [4k]: b cannot win koOloril [2k]: b17 c19 a18Clark [1k]: why is d16 bad for b?gryn [2k]: oh right he can take at c19sophtpaw [4k]: w have unlimited threatsMofioi [4k]: rightOmniscient [2k]: short on libs..];B[ej]BL[30]OB[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: sohptpaw: wherekevinwm [4k]: right - reduces libsgryn [2k]: but yeah d16 bad anyway because it reduces the libsmystshadow [3k]: w can just A18 instead of C19lapindix [7k]: S18 ko threat ?EdhelDil [3k]: b can livekevinwm [4k]: yes];W[hf]WL[30]OW[1]C[Clark [1k]: with d16 he still has enough libsOloril [2k]: No myst, that'd be suicide.EdhelDil [3k]: b17...];B[ge]BL[30]OB[1]C[Sandalphon [4d]: d16 isn't really that bad... black can't use the liberties, so why not give them up as ko threats?kevinwm [4k]: actually .... yes w can a18];W[eh]WL[30]OW[1]C[Oloril [2k]: Not after black b17];B[ab]BL[30]OB[1]C[gryn [2k]: well until he played g14 it also hurt the outside too sandal];W[he]WL[30]OW[1]C[fatihsulak [-]: now d16 important];B[hd]BL[30]OB[1]C[gryn [2k]: so if anything e16 better];W[aa]WL[30]OW[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: a18 to end kokenshin9 [12k]: once b win ko threat then w d16tobe30k [1d]: now b can cut];B[mg]BL[30]OB[1];W[lf]WL[30]OW[1];B[ab]BL[30]OB[1]C[gryn [2k]: cutting and dying is kinda pointless :)ibd [7k?]: o4typohh [11k]: b has almost no threats left];W[np]WL[30]OW[1]C[evanj [2d]: fun thoughnegnet [2d]: k14 stillan optionSandalphon [4d]: can't cut until the ko is doneMofioi [4k]: now black can cut, so white cant lose the koSandalphon [4d]: if black wins the ko, w will connect];B[nq]BL[30]OB[1]C[EdhelDil [3k]: or live];W[aa]WL[30]OW[1]C[lapindix [7k]: T17 ko threat?Fighter [6d?]: b+gryn [2k]: mofioi but cut means nothing if you end up with a dead shapegryn [2k]: beacuse you will just get eaten.kevinwm [4k]: b h3Quaternion [4k]: lapindix: t17 nosophtpaw [4k]: Fighter denkst Du, schwartz gewinnt das ko?lapindix [7k]: ok thx];B[ca]BL[30]OB[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: d16];W[ab]WL[30]OW[1]C[Femto [2k]: huh?foucault [2d]: ??Mofioi [4k]: semeaiDomgo [5k]: ...kevinwm [4k]: semedorigryn [2k]: semedorievanj [2d]: seems unnecessaryLeibnix [7k]: why not t17?katil [3k]: b won ..EdhelDil [3k]: mistake];B[dd]BL[30]OB[1]C[Sandalphon [4d]: ... what semiai... black diessophtpaw [4k]: semeai, lolSandalphon [4d]: *whitenevrgiveup [8d?]: ... ko again];W[ed]WL[30]OW[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: b does appear to have snuffed itibd [7k?]: another ko?];B[ee]BL[30]OB[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: p19];W[fe]WL[30]OW[1]C[sophtpaw [4k]: b commit sepulku - period.evanj [2d]: hehkevinwm [4k]: nah];B[ff]BL[30]OB[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: e19 firstQuaternion [4k]: E19 ?];W[ef]WL[30]OW[1]C[Omniscient [2k]: man this game is so full of cute movesevanj [2d]: w seems to be playing a bit recklessly or is it just mebakounine [3k]: great tsujiSimoff [5k?]: +R];B[gd]BL[30]OB[1]C[sophtpaw [4k]: omg, great throw in];W[fe]WL[30]OW[1]C[kenshin9 [12k]: lol b fail >.<sophtpaw [4k]: his ego losevingol [1d]:   b wins semeaigryn [2k]: not even semedori if white stays connectenddawid963 [2k]: bigger koDomgo [5k]: b17 ibd [7k?]: why not simply e19?squag [1k]: doesnt f19 for w live];B[ir]BL[30]OB[1]C[evanj [2d]: e19 e15kevinwm [4k]: cloning in kgs teaching];W[ee]WL[30]OW[1]C[Omniscient [2k]: in the end, all that B lost was an endgame move at B12gryn [2k]: squag not with e15 liberty goneuzmest [2k]: j2 ??squag [1k]: it was double ko though];B[hr]BL[30]OB[1]C[lapindix [7k]: W G10EdhelDil [3k]: :/squag [1k]: and w had miai for the second eyeRyuuGan [1d]: o12 :Devanj [2d]: w has o12];W[no]WL[30]OW[1];B[or]BL[30]OB[1];W[rk]WL[30]OW[1]C[evanj [2d]: this has been a hell of a gamekevinwm [4k]: if w e19, w loses tail ( j19 to p18EdhelDil [3k]: ????kenshin9 [12k]: b sloghtered];B[qk]BL[30]OB[1]C[kenshin9 [12k]: mabe];W[sj]WL[30]OW[1]C[bbred [5k]: w g10?ibd [7k?]: you can't spell slaughter without laughtersophtpaw [4k]: only sepulku left for honour];B[nh]BL[30]OB[1];W[qj]WL[30]OW[1]C[kenshin9 [12k]: im srry];B[pj]BL[30]OB[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: s7];W[im]WL[30]OW[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: o10];B[rl]BL[30]OB[1]C[kenshin9 [12k]: slaughter :Dnegnet [2d]: s7=deathibd [7k?]: :)];W[sl]WL[30]OW[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: why?];B[rj]BL[30]OB[1]C[gryn [2k]: t8 for huckspah!kevinwm [4k]: g10 nownegnet [2d]: because w had 1 eye];W[sk]WL[30]OW[1];B[sm]BL[30]OB[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: in the middle ?Thirteen [-]: h6 was vital quaternion];W[qj]WL[30]OW[1]C[negnet [2d]: yea];B[nj]BL[30]OB[1];W[nk]WL[30]OW[1];B[rj]BL[30]OB[1];W[si]WL[30]OW[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: j6 ic];B[rm]BL[30]OB[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: thxDomgo [5k]: k10 k9 m10 ];W[bh]WL[30]OW[1]C[Domgo [5k]: nah not working];B[bj]BL[30]OB[1]C[bbred [5k]: w g10?];W[gl]WL[30]OW[1]C[philemon [6k]: e8RyuuGan [1d]: e8 g10 lapindix [7k]: G8 awsomeQuaternion [4k]: w + 5 ?];B[el]BL[30]OB[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: g10!];W[ij]WL[30]OW[1]C[kenshin9 [12k]: w +5.5Clark [1k]: g10Clark [1k]: damn];B[gm]BL[30]OB[1]C[ibd [7k?]: p19Quaternion [4k]: G10];W[gj]WL[30]OW[1];B[hi]BL[30]OB[1]C[RyuuGan [1d]: now can p19];W[oo]WL[30]OW[1]C[indianayk [4d]: i don't understand the j2 threat. b17 threat and after, there was nothing as big];B[po]BL[30]OB[1]C[Clark [1k]: g10 before and there would be ko :(EdhelDil [3k]: h1];W[jf]WL[30]OW[1];B[je]BL[30]OB[1];W[oa]WL[30]OW[1]C[sentra [1d]: no ko, b j10];B[sd]BL[30]OB[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: G3];W[rf]WL[30]OW[1];B[gq]BL[30]OB[1]C[Encor [6k]: g10 b still connected];W[fr]WL[30]OW[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: yaMofioi [4k]: do b17 for black give points ?evanj [2d]: noibd [7k?]: k11];B[gs]BL[30]OB[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: b17 just a ko threat];W[fs]WL[30]OW[1];B[hs]BL[30]OB[1]C[Simoff [5k?]: hm good question Mofioikevinwm [4k]: g1 bad];W[hq]WL[30]OW[1];B[jr]BL[30]OB[1]C[Mofioi [4k]: but b17 capture 4stone, white has to put a18Quaternion [4k]: b17 gives b17 stone to wSimoff [5k?]: I think it does];W[se]WL[30]OW[1]C[Clark [1k]: g10 after blacks e8];B[sc]BL[30]OB[1]C[evanj [2d]: captures 4 stones but gives white four more empty points in his territoryQuaternion [4k]: the 4 stones that w captures are recovered by w as territory];W[pa]WL[30]OW[1]C[Mofioi [4k]: yes give b17stone points but white has to give stone in a18evanj [2d]: and new stone at a18 is offset by b stone at b17evanj [2d]: it's 0 pointszed22 [6k]: black is dead in a18kevinwm [4k]: mofioi - it's a 0 poitn play. the spaces become points at the end of the game. GOD, I can't believe I'm also 4k...];B[qa]BL[30]OB[1];W[ai]WL[30]OW[1];B[aj]BL[30]OB[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: @:]Mofioi [4k]: kevin, game ?];W[ah]WL[30]OW[1]C[evanj [2d]: hahaha];B[ji]BL[30]OB[1]C[kevinwm [4k]: Nah, not nowClark [1k]: :Dibd [7k?]: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHTevanj [2d]: 4k pillow fightMofioi [4k]: :'-strathisla [3k]: lolkenshin9 [12k]: lolokevinwm [4k]: gotta make food for kids];W[jj]WL[30]OW[1]C[RyuuGan [1d]: m10 evanj [2d]: screw your kids, honor is at stakeRyuuGan [1d]: 1 pointDomgo [5k]: n4 orm10 kevinwm [4k]: Hey - I don't roll that way...sophtpaw [4k]: so, w was justified to be casual about corner invasion after all... easily handled b's attemptkenshin9 [12k]: mofioi wanna play?];B[lj]BL[30]OB[1]C[DeadTired [2d]: mofioi makes food for thought, kevinwm makes food for kids. ];W[mj]WL[30]OW[1];B[li]BL[30]OB[1]C[kenshin9 [12k]: lol mean];W[mp]WL[30]OW[1];B[mq]BL[30]OB[1]C[Quaternion [4k]: w + 8.5Clark [1k]: r10Omniscient [2k]: i figured out the 0-point idea when I was 25k..evanj [2d]: artem wonevanj [2d]: i can't believe itlapindix [7k]: artem is kingevanj [2d]: what a game];W[kk]WL[30]OW[1];B[qj]BL[30]OB[1];W[]WL[30]OW[1]C[tobe30k [1d]: what is a 0 pt idea?];B[]BL[30]OB[1]TW[ba][ca][ea][fa][ga][ha][na][cb][db][fb][bc][cc][ad][bd][cd][dd][be][ce][df][sf][ag][bg][cg][pg][qg][rg][sg][sh][jk][jl][in][io][aq][bq][cq][eq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][as][bs][cs][ds][es]TB[ra][sa][rb][sb][jc][qc][id][cj][ak][bk][al][bl][cl][dl][ql][cm][dm][em][qm][cn][fn][qn][rn][sn][fo][ro][so][pp][qp][rp][sp][oq][qq][rq][sq][kr][lr][mr][nr][pr][qr][rr][sr][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[tolkienist [7k]: obviously the dude advertising his lessons att he beginning of the game isn't going to winOpul3nce [-]: nothing can  be done to changeQuaternion [4k]: b17egogames [7d]: thxartem92 [7d]: thxcraig [4k]: great game!EdhelDil [3k]: bravoThirteen [-]: holy crap])