(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]PW[FengYun]PB[mingjiu]WR[9p]BR[7p]DT[2010-02-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Javaness [2d]: that was stressfulMoussDiouf [7k]: NICE ONE]RE[B+Resign];B[pd]BL[3580.933]C[Tsuijin [1d]: after much effort the game managed to startaqwzsx [2k]: finally];W[dp]WL[3596.409]C[mafutrct [1d]: is the ruleset ok?Shana [3d]: sure takes a while to teach pros ];B[qp]BL[3571.902];W[dd]WL[3578.776]C[moonscar [-]: f3 maybeimport1243 [?]: this isnt only for kgs plus right?MoussDiouf [7k]: l3];B[oq]BL[3550.029]C[DrH0use [2d]: shana you know who will be your teacher?];W[qj]WL[3554.408]C[edlee [2k]: import, no, it's open for everyone to watch :)];B[fc]BL[3542.865]C[import1243 [?]: thxTsuijin [1d]: what is this game for anyways?Tsuijin [1d]: did JLi drop out?moonscar [-]: aga tournament i believe.RobertT [3k]: for the epicnessDrH0use [2d]: promotion game imo];W[cf]WL[3525.18];B[qh]BL[3534.449]C[RobertT [3k]: *plays the most epic music he can find*];W[qm]WL[3520.113]C[Vash3G [-]: no one knows what these games are for];B[jd]BL[3524.389]C[Javaness [2d]: yes, jli dropped out i guesssweety [-]: its for the Chunlan Cup qualifers.. right?Javaness [2d]: This is the final of the qualifiers right?DrH0use [2d]: rit!Tsuijin [1d]: someone shoulda asked during that long setup timeJavaness [2d]: Mero Csava is european representative to  Chunlan CupJavaness [2d]: -CsabaFITNESS [-]: good thing the 9p is taking w];W[qf]WL[3445.983]C[FITNESS [-]: it is a fair gameJavaness [2d]: ho ho hoImNoSensei [-]: pro ranks don't work that wayoren [?]: Java, did he discuss the rules with Jasiek? :)moonscar [-]: i prefer h17 here.];B[nd]BL[3508.605]C[hanuta [6k]: feng yun one of the three 9p female in the wordhanuta [6k]: worldmoonscar [-]: instead of r14, that is.edlee [2k]: Java, yes, this is the final of the qualifiers. The winner goes to play in China.dualraum [-]: R14 breaks up the double wing formation];W[qc]WL[3376.359];B[qd]BL[3502.766];W[rd]WL[3374.771]C[moonscar [-]: ah yes, i misplaced a stone];B[pc]BL[3493.707];W[rb]WL[3373.105]C[moonscar [-]: the variation im thinking of is when b goes to r14];B[qb]BL[3490.522];W[rc]WL[3372.106]C[moonscar [-]: not r12];B[pb]BL[3481.352]C[moonscar [-]: thanks, dualraumhanuta [6k]: why q18?SavagePlay [7k]: ok black got the top...SavagePlay [7k]: now what?GeorgeW [-]: 2 invasion spots remain on tophanuta [6k]: is not q18 small?mafutrct [1d]: makes r12 stronger and avoids overconcentration on the top.. i guessDerWitt [1d]: no kinda sentemafutrct [1d]: q18 is usually smallSavagePlay [7k]: but if pro plays thatdualraum [-]: You're welcome.SavagePlay [7k]: then i think it's importantedlee [2k]: Q18 is not small because W is not aliveSavagePlay [7k]: but mafu is still right];W[qg]WL[3286.848]C[SavagePlay [7k]: not all pro are good :DJavaness [2d]: mingjiu is wearing a tie for the game, very smart];B[ph]BL[3467.462];W[of]WL[3285.172]C[DerWitt [1d]: they play fastmafutrct [1d]: im sure black has a good plan and reason to play this seemingly small move^^Javaness [2d]: fast like they know opening theory];B[pl]BL[3432.154]C[DerWitt [1d]: p8 niceDerWitt [1d]: qJavaness [2d]: P10 looks confusingFITNESS [-]: i wonder what music mingjiu listens toSavagePlay [7k]: well he can't cutDerWitt [1d]: why confusing?Bobson18 [11k?]: P10 is a clear asain movemafutrct [1d]: maybe white can evade q8 by threatening to connect under at s12Javaness [2d]: AC/DC];W[oj]WL[3178.673]C[DerWitt [1d]: wowMoussDiouf [7k]: o12 r8];B[ql]BL[3418.418]C[SavagePlay [7k]: :DSavagePlay [7k]: butmafutrct [1d]: for instance, let w play s10 here...DerWitt [1d]: this is bad for wSavagePlay [7k]: q12 is kind of in dangerJavaness [2d]: see, i'm confused nowSavagePlay [7k]: so no way we can tellSavagePlay [7k]: let's just say they're equal right nowTetriste [-]: wowpurprietor [4k]: minjiu neat planTetriste [-]: is it a promotionnal game?];W[oh]WL[3116.814]C[SavagePlay [7k]: nothemyr0n [2k]: holy....runtt21 [-]: noSavagePlay [7k]: they're proSavagePlay [7k]: u want to promote what?DrH0use [2d]: yesmach48 [3k]: what tournament did mingjiu win?Tetriste [-]: ... some kind of event or somethingImNoSensei [-]: pros play each other in promotional games pretty often around hereTetriste [-]: yeahImNoSensei [-]: but this isn't oneSavagePlay [7k]: it's 2 pro fighting :DDrH0use [2d]: go is lucratifMendieta [15k]: hello. Is this a tournament?Tetriste [-]: well, we dont see 9p play often on kgsMendieta [15k]: hahaTetriste [-]: hum I dunno is it?SavagePlay [7k]: i don't think so...SavagePlay [7k]: it's more like they wanna waste their time on herepurprietor [4k]: it says "AGA Tournaments" next to the gamepurprietor [4k]: so I assume it is a tournament game.SavagePlay [7k]: aga?purprietor [4k]: american gormod [8k]: does q10 work for black?SavagePlay [7k]: oh?dualraum [-]: associationSavagePlay [7k]: okDrH0use [2d]: go will be the next market eaten by the traders, that starts by promotion game then sponsors then you finsish rated in bankSavagePlay [7k]: so they're playing areaTetriste [-]: its in aga tournament room alrightVash3G [-]: this is the final qualifier for the chunlan cupSavagePlay [7k]: instead of kominightwolf [11k?]: o.oMendieta [15k]: I didn't see any quote regarding AGA in my go client.nightwolf [11k?]: wait.. isnt this aga in new jersey?ImNoSensei [-]: nohibahiba: release the hounds!ImNoSensei [-]: they're playing onlinehanuta [6k]: q13nightwolf [11k?]: o.Onightwolf [11k?]: i thought it was aga tho o.oSavagePlay [7k]: yep it's 7.4ImNoSensei [-]: it is...Vash3G [-]: new jersey open finished this afternoonSavagePlay [7k]: 7.5 i meannightwolf [11k?]: oh o.oDrH0use [2d]: bbw wonSavagePlay [7k]: so that meanshighhand [4k?]: b s8 solid playnightwolf [11k?]: yeah i knew that.. so that one was new jersey?Steve [-]: i wonder how many observers this will end up withSavagePlay [7k]: if black got 181 points, black winsSavagePlay [7k]: and 174 points for white, white winhanuta [6k]: ?];B[ri]BL[3173.843]C[SavagePlay [7k]: well talk about how ancient chinese playsSavagePlay [7k]: except they don't start with 4 stones on starSavagePlay [7k]: interestingSavagePlay [7k]: pros play area go instead of komi go...ImNoSensei [-]: no they don'tBobson18 [11k?]: wise uphanuta [6k]: ...Javaness [2d]: well i didn't guess this onemafutrct [1d]: black seems to aim at r15ImNoSensei [-]: they just do for the puprposes of this gameTetriste [-]: aga rulesTetriste [-]: for aga tournamentsSavagePlay [7k]: okSavagePlay [7k]: so americans hate japanese rules :(rmod [8k]: lol whats to aim at r15 ?mafutrct [1d]: r15 cannot be answered at s15 without allowing 3 black stones to break outhanuta [6k]: ...];W[rj]WL[2998.142]C[mafutrct [1d]: according to my readingagugglez [8k]: hi];B[pg]BL[3165.862];W[pf]WL[2996.56];B[og]BL[3158.149]C[SavagePlay [7k]: dude u can't read area go like territorial gohanuta [6k]: ...];W[ng]WL[2976.9];B[oi]BL[3154.456]C[purprietor [4k]: man you're crazy.gryn [2k]: savage you are doing a great job keep it up :)Bobson18 [11k?]: dudeSavagePlay [7k]: wow im not trying to give useless lectures...Suicide [-]: Sure you can, savage. Just add the stones to the territory.holynec [?]: i fight you all!Tetriste [-]: I want a cookieAltist [1k]: ko?Suicide [-]: Any problem with o12?SavagePlay [7k]: just i have seen some old go games in China like more than 500 years agoSavagePlay [7k]: so i know they function quite differently...Suicide [-]: Wow, you're old.tsutsui1 [-]: i know feng yunpatrickn [5k]: wow you must be oldtsutsui1 [-]: lolSavagePlay [7k]: dudetsutsui1 [-]: whatSavagePlay [7k]: u can read it off from chinese go bookstsutsui1 [-]: i am not oldagugglez [8k]: why only 2 contestants to the chunlan?purprietor [4k]: savage, you cant just softball them in there like thatTetriste [-]: I'm 92 years oldbadfly [7k]: o12 seems ok?Javaness [2d]: shouldn't you be in bed tsutsui1?tsutsui1 [-]: i am 10tsutsui1 [-]: noSBA [13k]: ppl, could you please keep to useful statements?SavagePlay [7k]: kkkTsuijin [1d]: someone looks ownedTsuijin [1d]: alreadytsutsui1 [-]: shh my mom doesnt knowSavagePlay [7k]: welledlee [2k]: agugglez, because this is the final qualifying game.tsutsui1 [-]: bed time is 8:30 for meSavagePlay [7k]: if territorial go is to surround more place, then aga is to fight for more placeshanuta [6k]: greats players bring troll speakersViolence [?]: Hmm.... LG Finals - Kong Jie vs Lee Changho. Chunlan Qual Finals - Mingjiu vs Feng Yun. I'm so conflicted on what to watch...tsutsui1 [-]: wa?Suicide [-]: Both, Violence.FITNESS [-]: watch both, Violencetsutsui1 [-]: were lee chang hos gameJavaness [2d]: white gets a squeezehngryhippo [2k?]: where are teh LG Finals?tsutsui1 [-]: java my bed time is 8:30Javaness [2d]: I have an episode of friends you can borrow too ViolenceAshtavakra [7k]: where can you see the lg finalsProphet19 [14k]: you kids and your bed timesSuicide [-]: Nobody cares, tsutsui.Violence [?]: KGS doesn't have the broadcast rights, you'll have to hit up your local international servercoolbabe [5d]: black !!!Violence [?]: Friends?! Oh man, I love that show!DrH0use [2d]: java plz focus on the gameHoangVu [-]: care to explain why a 7k is giving a meaningless nonsense lecture about nothing ... in a 9p game?thekaiser [2d]: s12hanuta [6k]: ko?typeb [1k]: o12 does not look  goodJavaness [2d]: just squeezeSavagePlay [7k]: wowhanuta [6k]: o11 o12 n12?FlameBlade [-]: until something pop?SavagePlay [7k]: white can't kill blackJavaness [2d]: cover, pop, squeezetsutsui1 [-]: hetsutsui1 [-]: i am a bad boySuicide [-]: I still don't see an issue with o12.SavagePlay [7k]: if white want to save that firstTsuijin [1d]: gonna be a short gameSavagePlay [7k]: that means black will escape from bottommafutrct [1d]: o11 is interesting...Suicide [-]: Ah, there it is, double atari.tsutsui1 [-]: what tornement is this?Midorisuke [1k]: chunlan qualTetriste [-]: agaagugglez [8k]: cyberoro is broadcasting LG finalstsutsui1 [-]: okSavagePlay [7k]: even white want to close the bottom, black can get out from the sidetypeb [1k]: no ko threats, thats annoying wtsutsui1 [-]: i have that acountMidorisuke [1k]: w will make ko threatstsutsui1 [-]: is it hapening nowSuicide [-]: At least o12 can save r10, unless I'm misreading.tsutsui1 [-]: who is on cybeorolongxia [3d]: w has nothingDerWitt [1d]: so is there a better move tahn P12?mafutrct [1d]: suicide, what are you reading? i read it dead after o12think9000 [3k]: w connects b escapes then w hane at s8 and b q7SavagePlay [7k]: so white need to play different movesSavagePlay [7k]: that will save the bottom 3 pieceshngryhippo [2k?]: I don't think cover,pop, squeeze works for whitemint [-]: cover, pop, squeeze...the zit.Tetriste [-]: tenuki and kill p3Javaness [2d]: well what else will white doSavagePlay [7k]: white have to safe itselfthekaiser [2d]: w can s8 maybew00t [2d]: i guess w o10SavagePlay [7k]: instead trying to surround blackhngryhippo [2k?]: tenukiSavagePlay [7k]: black alivehngryhippo [2k?]: or maybe s8?tsutsui1 [-]: b won?SavagePlay [7k]: not yetSavagePlay [7k]: it's hard to determinehanuta [6k]: winning];W[ni]WL[2528.633]C[Grokken [2k?]: jigoSuicide [-]: If only, Grokken.Javaness [2d]: eat];B[nh]BL[3142.572];W[mh]WL[2527.735]C[think9000 [3k]: such an irritating sequenceSavagePlay [7k]: dudeDerWitt [1d]: q10hanuta [6k]: i was right^^ImNoSensei [-]: black knew he wouldn't just randomly die when he played s11 ...SavagePlay [7k]: anyone can eattsutsui1 [-]: from go camp when i played feng she waits till middle to go for stuffImNoSensei [-]: come on, it's not that far to readSavagePlay [7k]: but try to think few steps furtherSavagePlay [7k]: and if white insist to surroundTsuijin [1d]: dumpling timeSavagePlay [7k]: those 2 white piece will dieHu [4k?]: Dude yourself, SavagePlay.Ptijoueur [1k]: q10coolbabe [5d]: q10 onlySavagePlay [7k]: not q 10Altist [1k]: p12coolbabe [5d]: he think s13 aybemach48 [3k]: q10, q9, o10hibahiba: i care suicideSavagePlay [7k]: well if black p12SavagePlay [7k]: white has very big opening on 2 sideDerWitt [1d]: ??think9000 [3k]: read more savageProphet19 [14k]: o10?Suicide [-]: Scroll down, hiba.SavagePlay [7k]: ok...hibahiba: how did we get  down here?SavagePlay [7k]: that's just imaginationSavagePlay [7k]: so...Ptijoueur [1k]: "read" would be enough in a first timeSuicide [-]: We left you behind awhile back.coolbabe [5d]: q10 p12 q12 TPA [-]: WAAAA im glad i logged on ^_^SavagePlay [7k]: or a ko will be nice?purprietor [4k]: to earlyAltist [1k]: why not p12SavagePlay [7k]: naSavagePlay [7k]: that's just imaginationImNoSensei [-]: because then B has three libsfloatcloud [6d?]: 風雲丰韻SavagePlay [7k]: but if black p12SavagePlay [7k]: white will kill black for wurethink9000 [3k]: move onSavagePlay [7k]: u can only pretend if a black piece is already thereTetriste [-]: dudeSavagePlay [7k]: and ready to attack one sideTetriste [-]: ... just felt like saying itSavagePlay [7k]: hahaImNoSensei [-]: who exactly are you lecturing here ?Schmidtt [14k?]: fengyunViolence [?]: I think Savage just likes to listen to himself talkTetriste [-]: you, cause you're no senseiProphet19 [14k]: the ghost of hristmas pastSavagePlay [7k]: who caresSavagePlay [7k]: ill just keep talkinghanuta [6k]: i think savage is 7pSavagePlay [7k]: either u like it or notSavagePlay [7k]: nopeSchmidtt [14k?]: admins carebenjisan [4k]: Q10+];B[rg]BL[2839.449]C[Tetriste [-]: they will show their love if they truly care, SchmidttTsuijin [1d]: symmertry!Nyanjilla [-]: SavagePlay---calm downapplecart [2d]: please fellows, do not interrupt the analysiswjkgs1: zhujiu's brotherNyanjilla [-]: think before typinhapplecart [2d]: i am trying to learnSavagePlay [7k]: hahathink9000 [3k]: does w really have to respondTPA [-]: im learnding toohibahiba: is this the princeton tourney?Tetriste [-]: :O and so the admins really carethekaiser [2d]: q11hanuta [6k]: coolbabe was rightthink9000 [3k]: will it kill s16ccbrian [20k?]: is fengyun realli 9p?SavagePlay [7k]: if u can just  watch and learn, then i don't expect people to keep talkingwjkgs1: she is 9pTetriste [-]: are you really 20k?ccbrian [20k?]: sheSchnappala [1k]: no it's just an illusion... and it's a shedisburden [3k]: TPA - that ended earlier todayWuHoUnited [1d]: she is really 9p but not in top shape.mint [-]: leave SavagePlay alone guys, his game analysis is very important to me.Midorisuke [1k]: yes she's really 9ptypeb [1k]: pros can read this kind of moves in a few seconds, but we can notTPA [-]: learnding?Javaness [2d]: mint: stand in the cornerTetriste [-]: hahahahahaOleg2711 [1k]: Tetriste, are you sad Tetris player? :-)Schmidtt [14k?]: ahahahahahamint [-]: ayTeeSushi [2d]: java be serious pls :(Tetriste [-]: Oleg, maybe you are the sad oneNostalgia: lol...wjkgs1: mingjiu slao goodOleg2711 [1k]: i'm not, :-)HoangVu [-]: q11wjkgs1: also];W[rf]WL[2404.064]C[HoangVu [-]: meh just sacrifice cornerStevenStar [2k]: time to have q10?DerWitt [1d]: why not q11?];B[pj]BL[2823.628]C[DrH0use [2d]: kibbitzers should takl about the game no ?think9000 [3k]: b lost liberty gained a few ptsJavaness [2d]: eatccbrian [20k?]: u think white got back? hahaWBuffet [?]: this does not look good for bSavagePlay [7k]: yay black got out :DTetriste [-]: game is not important DrH0use, we're all here to talk about our last christmasjw556 [2d]: w is in trouble I thinkrmod [8k]: looks fine for black];W[oh]WL[2363.96]C[HoangVu [-]: I would've sacrificedDerWitt [1d]: b's position much better nowStevenStar [2k]: maybe  b goes out too sonn when q13hngryhippo [2k?]: you seem very fixated on eating, Java...  Have you had breakfast?];B[pi]BL[2816.387]C[think9000 [3k]: i think b shouldnt have played s13 so earlyStevenStar [2k]: soonNyanjilla [-]: keep the comments focused on this game, please];W[ld]WL[2361.395]C[WBuffet [?]: w has r-5SavagePlay [7k]: ok...wjkgs1: w is okWBuffet [?]: now this is too severeccbrian [20k?]: r-5?hanuta [6k]: o15sushihime [10k?]: i think the black group never has been in danger..TPA [-]: do admin comments show in bold when you open a completed game?Tetriste [-]: So!!!! White just decided to put a stone on M16!!!SHlNlGAMl [4k?]: W real master)Javaness [2d]: no they don'tjw556 [2d]: about 35 points solid territory for bAltist [1k]: m15?SavagePlay [7k]: nohngryhippo [2k?]: admin comments show in bold only when they need to shout at people.SavagePlay [7k]: m15 is not goodccbrian [20k?]: W seems to be losing a lot to me....StevenStar [2k]: M17?SavagePlay [7k]: no thatthink9000 [3k]: s8= ton of ajiwjkgs1: not that solidTetriste [-]: What shall black play to answer white's very daring approach!!!ccbrian [20k?]: ...w00t [2d]: Thanks, Nyanjillabillbell [1d]: good for black? or good for white?DerWitt [1d]: ok q11 for w didnt workDrH0use [2d]: kibbitzer should elect admin democraticalythink9000 [3k]: wdooku [11k]: i think white will be just fineapplecart [2d]: territory is overrated, black seems to have received a soild drubbing on the rightJavaness [2d]: M17 revolting, don't see N15 happening thoughSavagePlay [7k]: i don't knowjw556 [2d]: w sacrifice to play m16 moveTsuijin [1d]: attach top or bottom?TPA [-]: high55 would be good adminapplecart [2d]: all his stones are on the inside, to catch only 2SavagePlay [7k]: but to the very basics that Wang Yuen 8p explainedthink9000 [3k]: hohoDrH0use [2d]: i would be good tooSavagePlay [7k]: when this happensTetriste [-]: bottom, top is better to watch when it's not attachedapplecart [2d]: and q8 and r8 clearly is an overconcentration of stonesDrH0use [2d]: look : plz focus on the gamewjkgs1: w still can s8Nostalgia: ugh .....can i hide this chat window?Tetriste [-]: yeahhibahiba: lolNostalgia: how?TPA [-]: clone gametypeb [1k]: m16 ptotects o14 indirectlyhanuta [6k]: is n t a disaster for w at the moment?Tetriste [-]: yepNostalgia: ok thanks ccbrian [20k?]: u canccbrian [20k?]: minimize the screenccbrian [20k?]: and drag the chat window out of ur desktopapplecart [2d]: white has done very wellDrH0use [2d]: lolbillbell [1d]: who knows the other variations for the joseki on the side?SavagePlay [7k]: wellhanuta [6k]: really?highhand [4k?]: b M15applecart [2d]: i'm not making a jokeNyanjilla [-]: the Censor function is your friendDrH0use [2d]: put a paper on your computerSavagePlay [7k]: the basic is m15 and m17 will lead to bad result for blackhanuta [6k]: you re serious applecare?TPA [-]: man m16 is tough to answerapplecart [2d]: yespurprietor [4k]: w is fineJOTA [2k]: m17, the only movejw556 [2d]: I personally really like the first five moves in b's openingDrH0use [2d]: m15];B[md]BL[2623.39]C[TeeSushi [2d]: m17 not goodSavagePlay [7k]: :DSchnappala [1k]: gorgeous >.<think9000 [3k]: do not like this moveSavagePlay [7k]: attack and making 2 eyes at a timeSavagePlay [7k]: it's goodpurprietor [4k]: why?Sarcasm [?]: l16DrH0use [2d]: m18!Tsuijin [1d]: o man i always wanted to see L16 in shape like thiscoolbabe [5d]: l16?SavagePlay [7k]: m17 and m15 is beginners mistakeDrH0use [2d]: m16!TeeSushi [2d]: l16 DrH0use [2d]: l16!mint [-]: m16 is already played Dr. HouseTPA [-]: if w descends, then m15 then w h17?Madarame [2d]: l16 !DrH0use [2d]: sryjw556 [2d]: m16 or l16wjkgs1: how can m16Tetriste [-]: s9!hanuta [6k]: m16 already playtypeb [1k]: m14alicate [8k]: oiaalicate [8k]: como cresceuSavagePlay [7k]: okAltist [1k]: l16SavagePlay [7k]: now white have to do something to get that piece outta thereDrH0use [2d]: is there money for the winner?jw556 [2d]: m16 can live but there is a cut at o15Grokken [2k?]: l16ML [3d]: l16 looks fineTetriste [-]: w musnt let black attach both bottom and topViolence [?]: L16 feels rightJOTA [2k]: l16, and then...?edlee [2k]: DrH0use, no.Javaness [2d]: L16 looks prettyjw556 [2d]: can w kill if b k16 after m16StevenStar [2k]: w can't m15 so , possible to be l16SavagePlay [7k]: i dont think l16 will be good...StevenStar [2k]: l16 wants a fightSavagePlay [7k]: if basically like giving black a free move...Tsuijin [1d]: l16 literally rips apart the shapeTetriste [-]: l16 is coolhanuta [6k]: why do you think so savage?jw556 [2d]: l16 strengthened k16Tetriste [-]: I like to rip appartalicate [8k]: l16 ftwmysteries [2k]: iO14 sooncoolbabe [5d]: l16 or h16 or k17DrH0use [2d]: l16 N14coolbabe [5d]: h17Tetriste [-]: k3TeeSushi [2d]: j16 maybe?Tetriste [-]: k4*coolbabe [5d]: 3 choicescoolbabe [5d]: or j16];W[le]WL[2113.278]C[StevenStar [2k]: it is true to strengthen  k16, but the Q16 will be attacked , maybe it can compensate the loss];B[lc]BL[2617.948]C[TeeSushi [2d]: m17 j16 SavagePlay [7k]: :DViolence [?]: I don't get why she didn't play L16Grokken [2k?]: the pros have probably considered all of these moves after like 10 seconds of thinkingthink9000 [3k]: l16 would have diedSavagePlay [7k]: cause it'll lead to bad shape :(Tsuijin [1d]: white just wannt defend cut?Javaness [2d]: fengyun behind in timethink9000 [3k]: l16 n14 o14 l15 Tsuijin [1d]: was that the purpose?billbell [1d]: whitw might wreck some havocSavagePlay [7k]: making bad shape is a disgrace to prohanuta [6k]: m15 to protect the cut on o14?SavagePlay [7k]: so noViolence [?]: How was it bad shape?jw556 [2d]: she wants h17?purprietor [4k]: now h17?StevenStar [2k]: black is saveTetriste [-]: d9coolbabe [5d]: will she n14?mint [-]: n14 looks insipidJOTA [2k]: white goes for a giant centercoolbabe [5d]: please dontSavagePlay [7k]: y would she do that?Altist [1k]: l17Madarame [2d]: n14 looks like a jokethink9000 [3k]: losing so badlyTakahashi [3k]: k15?];W[gc]WL[2010.982]C[Tetriste [-]: wowpurprietor [4k]: this wayGrokken [2k?]: watSavagePlay [7k]: uh ohbillbell [1d]: ah the expected moveStevenStar [2k]: w is optimistic !SavagePlay [7k]: white is expecting tesujiwjkgs1: oh noTetriste [-]: thats surprisingthink9000 [3k]: w aggressivepurprietor [4k]: easy corner wayTetriste [-]: doesnt seem goodbillbell [1d]: l17 is bad ajiStevenStar [2k]: get ready for l17Tetriste [-]: isnt it one of the bad invasion point in this shape?SavagePlay [7k]: not reallySavagePlay [7k]: just thinkmint [-]: lolhanuta [6k]: ...SavagePlay [7k]: g17 as tesujibillbell [1d]: what stage is this?purprietor [4k]: 9p dosnt play bad movesmint [-]: that's not true, look at nakano.billbell [1d]: this is all out waralicate [8k]: everybody makes mistakeshngryhippo [2k?]: purp,  of course tehy doImNoSensei [-]: this move was carefully planned thoughpurprietor [4k]: not bad movespurprietor [4k]: just slightly worse than opponent moves =palicate [8k]: but their mistakes are better than our correct moves xDhngryhippo [2k?]: I've seen a 9p play self atariNebel [-]: sure they do ... or do u thin 9p are unbeatable?Tetriste [-]: you all say that, but maybe you don't know it's a missclick!!!ImNoSensei [-]: and I've never seen something quite like this, excitingMadarame [2d]: i saw a 9p overlooking a snapback :obillbell [1d]: in a tournement?hngryhippo [2k?]: yesxgw09 [1k]: Nie Wei Ping?Madarame [2d]: yesmint [-]: cho hunhyun once played an illegal suicide move and lost the game by forfeit.  pretty sure I can do better than that.];B[gd]BL[2459.728]C[alicate [8k]: oh-ohalicate [8k]: black wants it :pViolence [?]: Man, let that Nakano thing goStevenStar [2k]: b has no choice?SavagePlay [7k]: nopeSavagePlay [7k]: won't doViolence [?]: he's a ridiculously nice guypurprietor [4k]: f18 is next or something?SavagePlay [7k]: white can get good resultImNoSensei [-]: and very strong player tooImNoSensei [-]: and he plays shamisenTabemasu [8d?]: It doesn't change the fact ViolenceStevenStar [2k]: h16?Tabemasu [8d?]: That it was very funnyGrokken [2k?]: f16 Violence [?]: HahaViolence [?]: it was years agoTetriste [-]: what I was saying though, is that from what I read, the good invasion points would be g16, h17 and j16, and the less efficient ones are g17 h16 and j17Violence [?]: and people still mention it so oftenTabemasu [8d?]: And it's still funny nowViolence [?]: I don't think it isTsuijin [1d]: only way it won't be funny is if some other pro self atarisTabemasu [8d?]: Why nothanuta [6k]: what will be the answer?Violence [?]: It's just about as funny as Ge Yongfei missing atari against darkmageSavagePlay [7k]: h16 will attack the k16, and f16 is a tesuji to start withSavagePlay [7k]: i don't know which is bettercoolbabe [5d]: h16?Tabemasu [8d?]: That was also very funnyTabemasu [8d?]: So I don't see your pointmint [-]: hehe :)Javaness [2d]: every time i play a pro in a simul i miss atariJavaness [2d]: or miss ladderStevenStar [2k]: I choose  h16Violence [?]: But people don't mention that nearly as much as the Nakano thingViolence [?]: it seems to be the only thing he's known forpototo120 [7k]: L17 ?Tabemasu [8d?]: I don't think Ge Yongfei and Darkmage are exactly as well known as NakanoStevenStar [2k]: I think F16 make b himself at risk... Fraser [9k]: h17StevenStar [2k]: wStevenStar [2k]: sorryVKR [?]: what about h16FITNESS [-]: Nakano is 9pFITNESS [-]: do not make fun of himTabemasu [8d?]: Ah yes, so sorry];W[kc]WL[1821.916]C[pototo120 [7k]: =)ImNoSensei [-]: I'm sure even Cho Chikun giggled slightly at that self atariViolence [?]: I guess not, I just feel sorry for the guy, I guess. While Takemiya strolled around like a god around Congress, Nakano was actually giving useful advice and reviewing gamesImNoSensei [-]: butyeah, it has gotten oldJavaness [2d]: nakano beat me at 9x9, he is strong];B[kd]BL[2434.71]C[SavagePlay [7k]: what the?StevenStar [2k]: too soon for l17?Tabemasu [8d?]: It's not as if because I think it's funny somehow Nakano is not a nice guycoolbabe [5d]: now h17SavagePlay [7k]: trying to attack black and make 2 eyes at the same time?SavagePlay [7k]: white is crazypototo120 [7k]: M18];W[hd]WL[1791.206]C[Hampus3 [2k]: black is crazyJOTA [2k]: fear of a white planetTabemasu [8d?]: Anyway, who caresshobute [1d?]: I think white likes complicationsVKR [?]: l17 seems dangereosViolence [?]: I just don't think he deserves the association with self atariStevenStar [2k]: wow h16Tabemasu [8d?]: lolhibahiba: crazy like a foxGAG1 [6k]: All pros play like crazy people :PViolence [?]: because I'm pretty sure other pros have done itapplecart [2d]: white is doing the sabaki thing broImNoSensei [-]: others haveViolence [?]: his just happened to be televisedmint [-]: don't think anyone at congress actually brought that up to himViolence [?]: and youtubedapplecart [2d]: huh, are you talkinga bout atari boy?SavagePlay [7k]: wow...VKR [?]: i think i know what w is doingthink9000 [3k]: dont worry about itjeffywhite [1k]: white is going to work on blacks territoryyoyoma [1d]: I appreciate Violence bringing some balance.  ThanksTetriste [-]: white is preparing d9FlameBlade [-]: I know what white is doing...she's going psycho as usual.  stab stab stab stab until something goes.dooku [11k]: lol];B[hc]BL[2353.209]C[think9000 [3k]: w looks okVKR [?]: w is making it hard for both sidescoolbabe [5d]: j17 onlyjw556 [2d]: j17 k17FlameBlade [-]: That's Feng Yun style.applecart [2d]: i like how active white isFlameBlade [-]: similar to Rui Naiwei, no?StevenStar [2k]: j17,  g18 , h18?ikami [4d]: what tournement it is ?StevenStar [2k]: harsh ko for both pototo120 [7k]: agaImNoSensei [-]: Rui is just scarySavagePlay [7k]: wowChachi [2k]: feng yun is scary when she slams the stonemint [-]: aga is not a tournament.  it's an organization.gryn [2k]: i don't think that ko is so bad for black.SavagePlay [7k]: h16 actually break the black aparttsutsui1 [-]: i am watching lee chang ho play kong jieFITNESS [-]: naiwei listens to nine inch nailsthink9000 [3k]: whereshobute [1d?]: Feng Yun is always scary lolSavagePlay [7k]: j17applecart [2d]: j17, g18, n17 will be nextshobute [1d?]: She's a 9p lolgryn [2k]: shobute only speaks lies.];W[jc]WL[1678.796]C[coolbabe [5d]: feel w lostapplecart [2d]: then k17, n18, j16applecart [2d]: haahaapplecart [2d]: or notalicate [8k]: heyVKR [?]: what?shobute [1d?]: sets up n17alicate [8k]: if he answers to g17VKR [?]: ohJOTA [2k]: free movealicate [8k]: maybe he'll atari n17StevenStar [2k]:  ready for n17.Remember [1k]: SD:LFKJSDLFKJalicate [8k]: g17/h16Violence [?]: jeez, is black screwed here?Remember [1k]: go mingjiu!!!!!Aurain [13k]: r4 shobute [1d?]: notsutsui1 [-]: feng yun!somosdios [2k]: what is this game?shobute [1d?]: black should be okayWBuffet [?]: too strong move by wViolence [?]: how do you play here as black?Violence [?]: M18?gryn [2k]: violence, carefullyWBuffet [?]: resignStevenStar [2k]: save q16 group firstyoyoma [1d]: what happens if black J17?WBuffet [?]: b's only choiceJOTA [2k]: m18jw556 [2d]: what would w do if b j17somosdios [2k]: we'll find out soonViolence [?]: I can't see a good play hereikami [4d]: j17 m18 n17 j16 k15 j15 ... lolRemember [1k]: what's so wrong with j17?];B[ic]BL[2260.155]C[shobute [1d?]: I hanegryn [2k]: carefully... l-y!mafutrct [1d]: j17 m18 n17 j16 benjisan [4k]: lol 361 viewers!SavagePlay [7k]: oh godthekaiser [2d]: omgshobute [1d?]: see hane!WBuffet [?]: short game it isalicate [8k]: of course, this is epicSBA [13k]: headbuttSavagePlay [7k]: this is warSBA [13k]: lolgryn [2k]: shobute there were what, 8 hanes?coolbabe [5d]: m18 j16];W[lb]WL[1656.308];B[mc]BL[2255.575]C[Violence [?]: I don't see a good result for black from thisWoodward [7k]: sorry, this is late, but this game is from a tournament?  which tournament?  shobute [1d?]: lol adam you are bad :)Chachi [2k]: is this a battle of who can read 4329301 moves ahead?];W[id]WL[1643.614]C[ikami [4d]: if k15 j15 ^^];B[je]BL[2248.925]C[gryn [2k]: shobute shhh everyone thinks i'm a girl on kgs :PWBuffet [?]: k-15 w J-14StevenStar [2k]: wowTsuijin [1d]: this is awesomeshobute [1d?]: oohh empty triangle!mafutrct [1d]: ah, niceFraser [9k]: g18Remember [1k]: this doesn't look bad for black at all nowsunari [8k?]: AGA Chunlan Cup qualifier?StevenStar [2k]: b don't give any compromise to wRemember [1k]: tell me who it's bad for him?billbell [1d]: fighting emptyRemember [1k]: how*Violence [?]: ah, missed K15xgw09 [1k]: w can choose to exchange here?FITNESS [-]: w looks finishedikami [4d]: j15 ikami [4d]: lolikami [4d]: xDTPA [-]: j18Violence [?]: well, not I don't see what white can doViolence [?]: hahathink9000 [3k]: w can connect underneathViolence [?]: now^Madarame [2d]: *cough*Tsuijin [1d]: connect where?JOTA [2k]: g18mafutrct [1d]: j14 ?StevenStar [2k]: g18?floatcloud [6d?]: j14think9000 [3k]: g18Madarame [2d]: what about j14gryn [2k]: k18 then h15FITNESS [-]: j14 doesnt quite workxgw09 [1k]: you don't see it b/c u are not 9pmint [-]: h15!Crovis [2d]: \h15gryn [2k]: g18 then h15*Remember [1k]: tenukigryn [2k]: they are miai i feel.Violence [?]: I guess H15Chachi [2k]: ok logically white is trying to  get outside influence by sacrificing the stones inside blakcks territory right?];W[if]WL[1536.045]C[coolbabe [5d]: game seems over];B[ib]BL[2241.894]C[sunari [8k?]: is this match happening otb or online?Violence [?]: onlinesunari [8k?]: thxFITNESS [-]: w needs to make a lot in the centerthink9000 [3k]: so overshobute [1d?]: is there magic?gryn [2k]: i can just hear mingjiu saying "here? are you alive?"benjisan [4k]: white took the center$$mafutrct [1d]: those saying "game over"... uh... who wins?typeb [1k]: w will squeezeHarmony [-]: I hear him saying "hoho, can't fool meeee"Violence [?]: Perhaps Feng Yun will have to do-a pushupsgryn [2k]: mafu, black of course.Tsuijin [1d]: "Finish her"mint [-]: Gotality.mafutrct [1d]: sequence?fibundle [2k]: w winruntt21 [-]: no he is saying brack then white then brack then white then brack....StevenStar [2k]: b fall bebind in these few moves?Schnappala [1k]: g15 g18 k14 in sente doesn't look so bad for whitegryn [2k]: mafu it just goes: white his resignbenjisan [4k]: the white center is bigRemember [1k]: k14 for center moyojw556 [2d]: k17 really badshobute [1d?]: I'm wondering if there is connection magicthekaiser [2d]: go for 3 empty tringlethink9000 [3k]: i guess w gets a bit of influenceTPA [-]: l18?WBuffet [?]: w K-19?JOTA [2k]: k14SavagePlay [7k]: l18SavagePlay [7k]: i thinktsutsui1 [-]: okFraser [9k]: k14Harmony [-]: K18 any use ?coolbabe [5d]: g18 maybwjw556 [2d]: k15 m3Harmony [-]: nah not reallyWBuffet [?]: no k-19 not helpfulgryn [2k]: g18 just f18 cool?benjisan [4k]: K14JPollock [15k]: K14 doesnt workFraser [9k]: k14floatcloud [6d?]: k18 then g18JPollock [15k]: L18 killsStevenStar [2k]: k18?benjisan [4k]: 14 very good i thinkcoolbabe [5d]: f18 ni jiu wan leFraser [9k]: its sente and builds a wallbenjisan [4k]: K14 : moyoarios [6k]: yeahsolden [2k]: isnt l18 necessary?VKR [?]: n18gryn [2k]: cool really?StevenStar [2k]: or k14 to make a big wallsolden [2k]: or something around to give more liberties to sacrificegryn [2k]: zhen de?samidare [1d]: k18? am i overlooking something?coolbabe [5d]: l18 b k14Clynch7 [4k]: awesomeeexgw09 [1k]: zchen any comment to help us to understand?think9000 [3k]: k18 diescoolbabe [5d]: seems he has to g18 nowTPA [-]: doesnt die i thinkTPA [-]: becaus eb has to g18 after that sequence of k18Remember [1k]: what's going through feng yun's mind "crap"gryn [2k]: cool why is f18 broken if g18?sunari [8k?]: i'd have to put duck sauce in my ramen to understand this gamemint [-]: lolwut?Clynch7 [4k]: i think either j18 or k15 diesbenjisan [4k]: but G18 die, no?somosdios [2k]: who won the tournament earlier today?runtt21 [-]: shanacoolbabe [5d]: maybe just g15Shana [3d]: me what?mint [-]: yes, Shana won the tournament like a boss.coolbabe [5d]: g18 b g15arios [6k]: loldexter1 [8k]: they think to longsomosdios [2k]: no, andy liu, or zchen?purprietor [4k]: bbwHarmony [-]: Andysomosdios [2k]: thxFITNESS [-]: they tied for first];W[gb]WL[1219.484]C[Zuko [4k]: w bad heregryn [2k]: f18runtt21 [-]: andyRemember [1k]: nothing good has happened to w this gamecoolbabe [5d]: she has to g18StevenStar [2k]: to give up the 3 stonessomosdios [2k]: tied, or andy won?coolbabe [5d]: regardlesssamidare [1d]: ah, now i see why not k18runtt21 [-]: andy wonFITNESS [-]: they tiedzorgit: g15 j15FITNESS [-]: both went 4-1StevenStar [2k]: g15?Harmony [-]: doesn't make it a tieFITNESS [-]: in the nj open it doesViolence [?]: Wait, didn't the tiebreaker get broken by head to head?runtt21 [-]: ok , i meen the game somosdios [2k]: yes Fitness, but who was declared the winnerRemember [1k]: g15 doesn't work stevenstarJPollock [15k]: You hope for 2 consecutive moves to capture H16?FITNESS [-]: nj open just does number of won gamesJPollock [15k]: wishfulSuicide [-]: b just f18?Violence [?]: oh wow, that's pretty crazyVKR [?]: yameatini [5k]: all the move all called telentsomosdios [2k]: ok, thxzorgit: f18 then k18mchoi555 [2k]: mistake?FITNESS [-]: split the money...butzorgit: or notStevenStar [2k]: g15,f18, E17?Suicide [-]: f18 k18 k19 l18 g19meatini [5k]: i nerver see w's such good move];B[ge]BL[2117.538]C[FITNESS [-]: i guess the one whose name is mentioned first in the e journalFITNESS [-]: had better tie breakingsomosdios [2k]: how much money was it?VKR [?]: what?Domgo [5k]: taking this much time to read..TeeSushi [2d]: mistake in order?meatini [5k]: b rejected to big tradezorgit: f18 k18 k19 l18 n18 VKR [?]: this is badtypohh [12k]: for some weird reason the second most watched game right now only has 8 observer, and third has 4 observers...VKR [?]: it could get really badSuicide [-]: Tee, I think b wants to threaten h16 to get farther into the center first.think9000 [3k]: k18meatini [5k]: $3000Sudala [7k]: I just got in and reviewed the game from the beginning: Is q18 slow or not?coolbabe [5d]: j15 baTeeSushi [2d]: no i think w should play k18 before g18 Suicide [-]: 9000, k18 k19 l18 j15coolbabe [5d]: w seems okmint [-]: Sudala, i think q18 was slow but I know nothing about this game.];W[hf]WL[1128.629]C[alicate [8k]: IT'S OVER NINE THOUSANDrmod [8k]: f18 timeTetriste [-]: nowjkgs1: where can watch winter olympics onlineTetriste [-]: it's right 9000, not over italicate [8k]: xDxgw09 [1k]: b f18 wouldnot workzorgit: f18Violence [?]: well, this feels like game for Mingjiu to meTetriste [-]: time for some pizzaViolence [?]: "Da game is-a over. Not-a intrsting."alicate [8k]: yay pizzameatini [5k]: w outside is hugeDomgo [5k]: for everyone?coolbabe [5d]: bf18 finewjkgs1: may i have some pizzaTetriste [-]: I can try to fax you a pizzasunari [8k?]: forget the olympics, this is important!alicate [8k]: enter the line chiefPoney [1k]: f18 l18  Then what for b ?SavagePlay [7k]: wow what a big exchangeAltist [1k]: l18typeb [1k]: l18 onlycoolbabe [5d]: k14 yapsibrr [4k]: google says http://watch-winter-olympics.com/olympics?gclid=CPPWh8LxhKACFQdY2godthIRjwwjkgs1: :)coolbabe [5d]: l18 paper tigerHarmony [-]: I'm not sure W got much out of this exchange at all];B[fb]BL[2005.302]C[JOTA [2k]: blac has 2 empty trianglesTetriste [-]: yayrmod [8k]: haClynch7 [4k]: haha];W[ja]WL[1115.205]C[Clynch7 [4k]: pros go with the kuy moves];B[ka]BL[1999.047]C[WoolyMaCha [5k]:    Harmony......check sangrou , EGR!!Tetriste [-]: someone once said that players above 5d had the right to play empty trianglesTsuijin [1d]: yayPoney [1k]: wowcoolbabe [5d]: heheDomgo [5k]: hummWBuffet [?]: this is text book tesujialicate [8k]: l19?Poney [1k]: two nice sujisTeeSushi [2d]: wthalicate [8k]: really? D:Tetriste [-]: hahahaha];W[kb]WL[1093.367]C[Harmony [-]: L19 is classic tesujiHampus3 [2k]: wouldn't k18 have worked+VKR [?]: nopoozer [7k]: is this a sponsored game?];B[jf]BL[1969.762]C[meatini [5k]: k19 is owesome];W[jg]WL[1090.122]C[w00t [2d]: w got k15coolbabe [5d]: m14Steve [-]: its a tournament gamermod [8k]: hmm m14Poney [1k]: m14 l14 Steve [-]: winner represents USA at the chunlan cupFlameBlade [-]: Poney, you're thinking of wrong atarirmod [8k]: then l13rmod [8k]: deadJOTA [2k]: since w cut at l17, black is giving inPoney [1k]: if you m14 b will die in snapbackpurprietor [4k]: if l13, j15Tetriste [-]: n18? no?Clynch7 [4k]: what if w goes h19?Poney [1k]: Ah ok ];B[lf]BL[1908.571]C[Domgo [5k]: m14 Poney [1k]: indeed flamebladenightwolf [11k?]: admin? -.-Poney [1k]: thanks];W[me]WL[1082.835]C[wither [7k]: is this being played here or is this a copy of a real tournament?Celerity [2d]: h19 does not connectSteve [-]: heremafutrct [1d]: hereErikE [4k]: Would anyone be willing to come to KGS Teaching Ladder room to answer one joseki question?VKR [?]: liveHarmony [-]: then H18Harmony [-]: and capturewjkgs1: l14gryn [2k]: just l14?Tetriste [-]: why stop hereTetriste [-]: n14?];B[mf]BL[1872.463]C[alicate [8k]: gg];W[ne]WL[1078.613]C[alicate [8k]: XD];B[kf]BL[1871.133]C[rmod [8k]: nicealicate [8k]: l13?wither [7k]: wow real pros playing... are these guys like better than milanmilan?alicate [8k]: ohgryn [2k]: good call tetriste :)Poney [1k]: w is all brokenJOTA [2k]: h19alicate [8k]: no useTetriste [-]: ^^somosdios [2k]: these guys milan for breakfastHarmony [-]: let's go for "they are of comparable strengths"jw556 [2d]: does n18 work?gryn [2k]: wow milan is a verb now.Harmony [-]: since they're all prosTetriste [-]: wither, milanmilan is 2p no?somosdios [2k]: these guys eat* milan for breakfastPoney [1k]: what amazes me is that mingjiu rarely takes a lot of time to readxgw09 [1k]: either will crash milanmilan gryn [2k]: somos, i liked your first sentence better.purprietor [4k]: mingjiu is reading durring w's timemafutrct [1d]: ...Chachi [2k]: i think white came out ahead in thisClynch7 [4k]: milan or Peter liu is 2psomosdios [2k]: it was more interesting gramaticallyTetriste [-]: rightFraser [9k]: w must 014?farhan [2k]: H19 and O14 miaifartface [11k]: 014wither [7k]: but i mean in professional world, p numbering means nothing right?Poney [1k]: j19 is nothingfarhanwither [7k]: in terms of skillPoney [1k]: H19*gryn [2k]: i like m12Harmony [-]: who would play H19 ?somosdios [2k]: if it meant nothing, it wouldn't existHarmony [-]: I mean, H19 for which player ?gryn [2k]: (er for black)edlee [2k]: wither, correct.Poney [1k]: It doesn't do anything if you prefereClynch7 [4k]: it means somethingfarhan [2k]: H19 and O14 are miaiwither [7k]: i said in terms of skillzorgit: h19 h18Poney [1k]: H19 doesn't work for wClynch7 [4k]: and in general 9p is stronger than 1p tho it dont work that wayStevenStar [2k]: M12?zorgit: or h19 f19Domgo [5k]: does someone knoes what white is thinking?ErikE [4k]: God!farhan [2k]: miai means u take eather one or the othergary168 [7k]: b lead?somosdios [2k]: "oh crapErikE [4k]: p numbering is number of tournaments won, isn't it?sunari [8k?]: what would happen to the rating system if..Schnappala [1k]: do you know what I am thinking right now?sunari [8k?]: 9p lost to 9kunderwater [-]: i dont see how white can profit from this situationHarmony [-]: I don't understand what the obsession is with that H19 movemeatini [5k]: n18,g19gary168 [7k]: who is 9k?ErikE [4k]: h19 doesn't work. H19, H18];W[od]WL[839.057]C[Celerity [2d]: w is trying to find way to salvage this... if this is b sente, very badFraser [9k]: n18JOTA [2k]: h19 for squeezeFraser [9k]: yeTetriste [-]: I call my pet nine-kyufarhan [2k]: trying to trap blackdooku [11k]: a dog?Ara [1d]: I wish I could milan for breakfastTetriste [-]: a cat!Fraser [9k]: i call my spanish crackers tetristesradishimo [4k]: i call my pet taisha];B[mb]BL[1831.561]C[Tonghua [4k]: i call my pet nadare <3Schnappala [1k]: I call my cat "hektopascal"Tetriste [-]: NiceClynch7 [4k]: m19 and h19 work againTetriste [-]: crackers are awesomeFraser [9k]: called it yippeeunderwater [-]: b +resigntruman [1d]: this looks rough for w.Cyphis [2k]: 9p!xz [2k]: l12Ara [1d]: I call my dog shimariFraser [9k]: next step, 10 p? er... TheTuss [7k]: i cal my shimari dogdooku [11k]: my cat calls all the timeTonghua [4k]: LOLTetriste [-]: well this was originally black's territory anyway, not that big of a loss, just some wasted ajiStevenStar [2k]: N18 GOOD MOVEAltist [1k]: d18?Mooshiro: n18 first before p16 seems betterbillbell [1d]: white corner weakened];W[oc]WL[744.963]C[coolbabe [5d]: w missed sequence badlyCelerity [2d]: d18 terrible directiongryn [2k]: tetriste, it's pretty big because white will need to connect in gote, and black got f18AmerBeton [7k]: w ounedDomgo [5k]: p18Tetriste [-]: connect what?StevenStar [2k]: p18 o18...farhan [2k]: w should have played H19 insteadgryn [2k]: tetrist his j14 stones];B[ob]BL[1785.331]C[coolbabe [5d]: j19underwater [-]: this looks overJOTA [2k]: w is divingDomgo [5k]: o18 don't workjw556 [2d]: m18!!!Totti [1d?]: w picked a hard fightMooshiro: so that white can play one more l and m 14 ];W[rl]WL[717.279]C[farhan [2k]: no use divingCyphis [2k]: the game shall go on!truman [1d]: that's a weird time to start that fight.oryx [3d?]: s8 missed resign point?Totti [1d?]: yeahgryn [2k]: tetrist now white playing with a big debt (no choice though)Tetriste [-]: I think w dont need to connect j14 directly, w can play somwhere around d10-d9Tetriste [-]: and has ladderfarhan [2k]: white is desperate nowStevenStar [2k]: s6?AmerBeton [7k]: s6 ?Chachi [2k]: m12Totti [1d?]: i wouldnt say thatgryn [2k]: tetrist i didn't mean black would play that cut, but black could play m12 to split the groups.JOTA [2k]: w wants a koCyphis [2k]: we'll all be amazed when w winsSchnappala [1k]: he didn't even get the influence he could have earlier with K14...farhan [2k]: b q7 confines whiteTetriste [-]: well I'll still be amazed if black winDomgo [5k]: white lost 2 much time to calculateSchnappala [1k]: I rather be black here now...Tetriste [-]: cause pizza is amazingOmniscient [1k]: i think B Q7 is right];B[nj]BL[1670.232]C[wither [7k]: id rather be W because id be a 9pOmniscient [1k]: if B S6, then W Q7, not W S7Fiara [5k]: Hrm..Tetriste [-]: you'd be a woman too witherSchnappala [1k]: I'll be ok with 7p though...wither [7k]: even betterTetriste [-]: hahaha];W[pm]WL[681.047]C[gryn [2k]: i am happy as myselfTetriste [-]: pffftClynch7 [4k]: dont begryn [2k]: but if you made me choose, i'd choose black because he is so funny when he gives lectures.jw556 [2d]: just cutwither [7k]: i never heard a black lectureHarmony [-]: Mingjiu lectures are greatSchnappala [1k]: audio lectures?gryn [2k]: yesgryn [2k]: on kgs on saturdays i think.Schnappala [1k]: hmm... free? ^^Harmony [-]: unique voice :o)wither [7k]: kgs+?Cyphis [2k]: Yeah I watched a few mingjiu lectures and learned a ton from every one.farhan [2k]: simple P9 is best to meHarmony [-]: yes, sponsored by the Ing foundationSchnappala [1k]: nice!wither [7k]: i dont have kgs+wither [7k]: i have kgs-Poney [1k]: haneSchnappala [1k]: I'll be here on saturday... definitely ^^Harmony [-]: Mingjiu, Jujo, Guo Juan mostlygryn [2k]: its' not kgs+gryn [2k]: it's just kgssunari [8k?]: every Sat?Domgo [5k]: c9 ?Harmony [-]: jujo's reviews of Go Seigen games are super nice tooDomgo [5k]: f3 ?gryn [2k]: like i said earlier when white kept playing on top, i kept hearing mingjiu in the lecture... "here? are you alive?"JOTA [2k]: p7Tetriste [-]: hahaha];B[mi]BL[1510.35]C[meatini [5k]: w 100+Tetriste [-]: is he giving lectures with kgs plus?];W[nh]WL[666.646]C[jw556 [2d]: cutjw556 [2d]: cut];B[nf]BL[1498.029]C[Harmony [-]: no, in the Ing room from time to time];W[mj]WL[663.741]C[wither [7k]: time for a lil snippyw00t [2d]: wowxgw09 [1k]: w not worrying about corner??];B[ok]BL[1477.633]C[FlameBlade [-]: it will live.FlameBlade [-]: as long white can keep up attacks on blackClynch7 [4k]: she is 9p why whould she careFlameBlade [-]: and keep sente.Altist [1k]: i dont understand what w is doingtypeb [1k]: s19 is necessaryAltist [1k]: does someone do?wither [7k]: w is making it interesting!newboot [3d]: w is pro?Clynch7 [4k]: lolAltist [1k]: w is 9pTetriste [-]: ing room?Clynch7 [4k]: lolHarmony [-]: "9p" tends to mean pro ;)mint [-]: she is only 1 of 3 women who are proSchnappala [1k]: it won't live without another moveMDB15 [16k]: Yes, I didnt missjw556 [2d]: k17 was huge mistakeHarmony [-]: lessons > Ing's Goe FounddationPoney [1k]: p7  will hurt when b plays itIlanKeshet [6k]: 9p means very weak procoolbabe [5d]: she could be at most 3p now];W[sg]WL[576.469];B[rh]BL[1471.689]C[Cookies [1d]: i'm pretty sure there are more than 3 women pros o.oSBA [13k]: ...Tsujigiri [9k]: u mean 9pdualraum [-]: This is really deep, they're reading extremely far ahead.Clynch7 [4k]: more than 3 wwomen proKhim [1d]: 1 of 3  who are 9p **Clynch7 [4k]: 3 women 9pmint [-]: ohmint [-]: i mean 9pmint [-]: :)Poney [1k]: who's the third ,xgw09 [1k]: only 2?  Rui and Fengnewboot [3d]: this game really does showHarmony [-]: Kobyashi Chizu is 9p as well isn't she ?StevenStar [2k]: S19...mint [-]: Rui Naiwei, Feng Yun, and Park JieunPoney [1k]: Rui, Feng Yun and ,mint [-]: no, Chizu is 5pmint [-]: or 6pHarmony [-]: ah okHarmony [-]: rightKoffein [-]: kobayashi chizu is 5pStevenStar [2k]: w feel sadnewboot [3d]: w has brain cancer ?mint [-]: lolwutTetriste [-]: thanks harmonyChachi [2k]: o8mafutrct [1d]: ....Harmony [-]: please avoid such tasteless jokes];W[ra]WL[518.42]C[xgw09 [1k]: newboot u should be bootedmint [-]: i didnt even get the joke.StevenStar [2k]: s19 m12 m11 n13...Tetriste [-]: I wasn't joking harmony when I said thanksfarhan [2k]: living in the cornergryn [2k]: instead focus on pizza.];B[rn]BL[1448.592]C[Chachi [2k]: wow, b takes the lead ?];W[rm]WL[515.939]C[StevenStar [2k]: or just m11 directly?Tetriste [-]: pizza tastes better];B[li]BL[1439.768]C[mint [-]: this pizza meme is getting stale.farhan [2k]: aji keshi by blackgryn [2k]: mint, that's what ziplock bags are for.kingme2 [3k]: these ppl are pretty goodnotbert [10k]: w o18?Tetriste [-]: thankstypeb [1k]: w has three weak groups of stonesbillbell [1d]: how big is white's center about now?StevenStar [2k]: maybe time for w to resign...?Celerity [2d]: w has crumbled it feelsmint [-]: i think w is about to get whamboozledgary168 [7k]: they are reading beyong my comprehensionClynch7 [4k]: m19 later w no?SavagePlay [7k]: well just guessDomgo [5k]: white resign?SavagePlay [7k]: none of us can read anywayAltist [1k]: w has weak groups everywhereTotti [1d?]: w in a diffucult positionSavagePlay [7k]: unless ur 9dVKR [?]: i have really good reading];W[lh]WL[436.749]C[meatini [5k]: w has huge outside =200VKR [?]: and i can barely see what they are going to dosunari [8k?]: w could assimilate you like Smith agentdooku [11k]: its a reading rainbownotbert [10k]: is w o18 tesuji?Poney [1k]: haneclarknogo [3k]: b has much timeClynch7 [4k]: notbert nomint [-]: o18 is not tesuji notbertPoney [1k]: L12MDB15 [16k]: lolSavagePlay [7k]: o18 is nothingfibundle [2k]: w not badMDB15 [16k]: loldualraum [-]: L18 is dead, that's as far as I got. -_-];B[ki]BL[1394.429]C[xz [2k]: l12SavagePlay [7k]: k18 are ur dead];W[nk]WL[433.863]C[Tetriste [-]: o18 o19 cant even connectmeatini [5k]: hahaTotti [1d?]: noWoodward [7k]: why no hane?Mooshiro: white m12 seems very heavynotbert [10k]: blacks left corner group would be cutmeatini [5k]: m12 is for o9CUNEFAJG [-]: IS A TOURNAMENT??Poney [1k]: o7 ?SavagePlay [7k]: yeah];B[oj]BL[1346.62]C[notbert [10k]: ll o19 srysunari [8k?]: w can read your mindsSavagePlay [7k]: wow];W[kh]WL[428.436]C[Clynch7 [4k]: notbert o18 o19 n19 m19 n19 m19];B[ji]BL[1341.349]C[ErikE [4k]: q17 surprised meClynch7 [4k]: b finekingme2 [3k]: j12 would be sadccbrian [20k?]: wow white actually got bkck];W[hh]WL[413.89]C[kingme2 [3k]: icickingme2 [3k]: h12 is ok];B[nm]BL[1329.517]C[xgw09 [1k]: b leads for sure but still a gameCelerity [2d]: this still sadClynch7 [4k]: can someone strong tell me about w m19?oryx [3d?]: not sure it is really a game SavagePlay [7k]: well white broke the balance, and didn't success :(mafutrct [1d]: m19 n19 then?];W[nn]WL[377.719]C[Clynch7 [4k]: h19Clynch7 [4k]: ah j19Clynch7 [4k]: and w cant capmafutrct [1d]: h19 h18Tetriste [-]: h19 h18?ccbrian [20k?]: i feel like white's trying to experiment new moves....Tetriste [-]: yeahmafutrct [1d]: j19 g19];B[mn]BL[1302.607]C[billbell [1d]: what is the most efficient move?VKR [?]: why is w fighting so muchDrH0use [2d]: w is eaten the pisenlit by the racineTetriste [-]: k4Celerity [2d]: w center is becoming black's centerTetriste [-]: lol drh0use];W[ro]WL[346.502]C[Domgo [5k]: because fighting in go is funnewboot [3d]: how is this still a gameRoto [6k]: triple sente.. very efficientClynch7 [4k]: why is w so in troubleDrH0use [2d]: ty my audiencekingme2 [3k]: how come mingjiu is old but still 7p?kingme2 [3k]: I think fengyun is youngerCookies [1d]: can't get ranked downbillbell [1d]: P12Harmony [-]: because he moved to the USA and stopped ranking upkingme2 [3k]: icicxgw09 [1k]: mingjiu is stongStevenStar [2k]: experiences help b ccbrian [20k?]: if white m19 black HAS to respondJOTA [2k]: little center, now...kingme2 [3k]: he is pretty goodDrH0use [2d]: this is the  end of the haricots i want to sayBrunoA [2k]: forget about m19BrunoA [2k]: it's nothingClynch7 [4k]: m19 dont workccbrian [20k?]: why don't they go for territory....farhan [2k]: b P6 is just coolccbrian [20k?]: m19 black has to respond];B[rp]BL[1214.269]C[StevenStar [2k]: w  needs 7 moves to kill the b groupBrunoA [2k]: m19 is waste ko threatsHarmony [-]: just because black has to respond doesn't make it usefulSchnappala [1k]: time for F4/F3 soon?sunari [8k?]: w can feel the pain and joy of all 400+ viewers simultaeously];W[qn]WL[334.509]C[ccbrian [20k?]: ya so saving for koedlee [2k]: ccbrian, they are going for territory -- just indirectly :)Poney [1k]: o5 ?truman [1d]: well Brian, they're not doing that, so perhaps there's something there you're not seeing :)Woodward [7k]: if white M19, it's ko, right?Harmony [-]: noWoodward [7k]: dohClynch7 [4k]: noccbrian [20k?]: noAkir [4k]: who else hates coments that are obvious? like m19 stuff which is like 20min lateTetriste [-]: yay my pizza is ready I can eat itdualraum [-]: L18 is deadZvi [2d?]: wowWoodward [7k]: sorry, i just got herefarhan [2k]: b P6 still is coolZvi [2d?]: i want pizza ;/ccbrian [20k?]: some of us just joined akirranger09 [5k]: Takagawa was honorary honinbo at 53 years of agedooku [11k]: i want a piecetypeb [1k]: h10 or g13 orJOTA [2k]: if ko, w m19Celerity [2d]: tennuki];B[dg]BL[1156.299]C[Akir [4k]: so copy the game and try yourselfblakorn [4k]: ¬¬Woodward [7k]: i just didtypeb [1k]: motarezemeHarmony [-]: B continually attackingStevenStar [2k]: both groups!farhan [2k]: also cool];W[ff]WL[310.09]C[yagami [6k]: ¬¬typeb [1k]: d14];B[df]BL[1137.608]C[blakorn [4k]: ¬_¬Woodward [7k]: w m19n19 h19 j19 f19 e19 gryn [2k]: i think it's interesting that black pushed white togethermeatini [5k]: w must kill d14];W[de]WL[281.231]C[Clynch7 [4k]: not e19meatini [5k]: c12farhan [2k]: why b D14 instead of E15brod [2k]: h19 h18 m19 n19 j19 is work?dooku [11k]: yes black seems to take the low ground];B[cg]BL[1129.587]C[Schnappala [1k]: both have awesome fighting spirit... they don't go for the whole lower left side, until the fight expand there];W[bf]WL[279.616]C[astadiala [5k]: doesnt workClynch7 [4k]: not e19 b just e18Harmony [-]: H19 !j19Tetriste [-]: no such thing as killind d14farhan [2k]: B E15 still goodBrunoA [2k]: they are 9p];B[dk]BL[1093.819]C[BrunoA [2k]: if they did not played m19BrunoA [2k]: its because it doesnt workblakorn [4k]: ¬_¬Tetriste [-]: why didnt white play d9 when I said it... now b played itBujiebuke [7k]: I would be tempted to play C17 as black when the D13 group settlestypeb [1k]: efficient movetypeb [1k]: b will winkingme2 [3k]: h10NewbieOne [4k]: whats the byo?Chachi [2k]: F15];W[la]WL[180.923]C[Roto [6k]: !Woodward [7k]: here it goes!Harmony [-]: newbieone : Options > RulesKhim [1d]: lol :oTetriste [-]: 5 periods 30 seconds];B[ma]BL[1081.522]C[NewbieOne [4k]: thxVKR [?]: b deadVKR [?]: nope sorry lo9lClynch7 [4k]: m19 protects c17Clynch7 [4k]: i thinClynch7 [4k]: kHarmony [-]: it makes D18 sente for ko at least];W[ha]WL[153.245]C[VKR [?]: uhhTetriste [-]: wowowowoWoodward [7k]: my sequence!Tetriste [-]: whats happenning];B[jb]BL[1071.166]C[Chachi [2k]: squeeze?];W[fd]WL[151.126]C[Violence [?]: uhtruman [1d]: err?Harmony [-]: ah or this wayStevenStar [2k]: !?Clynch7 [4k]: Nicefarhan [2k]: takexgw09 [1k]: w tries to sente connectfarhan [2k]: take 5Getsuga [3k]: f19 ?Harmony [-]: niceJOTA [2k]: big bizzblakorn [4k]: =OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWoodward [7k]: L19fibundle [2k]: hahaWoodward [7k]: has to takeStevenStar [2k]: haven't thought of it];B[fe]BL[1021.314]C[blakorn [4k]: ¬_¬Omniscient [1k]: F15 firstWoodward [7k]: dohfarhan [2k]: or f15Clynch7 [4k]: f15 firstfarhan [2k]: yep !];W[ee]WL[134.851]C[Hu [4k?]: Please don't flood, blakom.Violence [?]: keep em separated.xgw09 [1k]: omniscient strong];B[ed]BL[1009.111]C[StevenStar [2k]: D17?Clynch7 [4k]: ?];W[ec]WL[113.401]C[Tetriste [-]: mingjiu is stronger than me :(blakorn [4k]: ☺☻rmod [8k]: e18tsutsui1 [-]: noStevenStar [2k]: they are experience pro , don't feel sadFlameBlade [-]: hmmmxgw09 [1k]: e18 too aggressivetsutsui1 [-]: who is watching lee chang ho vs kong jieFlameBlade [-]: will black take corner?Clynch7 [4k]: nxgw09 [1k]: where to watch lee vs. kong?Woodward [7k]: c17?Violence [?]: LCH vs KJ is going insane.Clynch7 [4k]: f16JOTA [2k]: notsutsui1 [-]: wbaduk aka cybeoroxgw09 [1k]: where to watch?tsutsui1 [-]: ur watchingxgw09 [1k]: no lee vs. kong?Khim [1d]: it's broadcastfarhan [2k]: id take the 5 nowtsutsui1 [-]: violence are u watchingViolence [?]: of coureViolence [?]: coursemint [-]: you can also watch on Tygemtsutsui1 [-]: its epic];B[eb]BL[894.78]C[tsutsui1 [-]: write somethingrmod [8k]: ha];W[fd]WL[110.007]C[Khim [1d]: there often are broadcast on Wbadultsutsui1 [-]: i am mogiharaWoodward [7k]: lose a huge corner thendualraum [-]: I like E18, making nice use of the ajirmod [8k]: h15];B[sf]BL[882.447]C[farhan [2k]: heading towards koStevenStar [2k]: exciting];W[se]WL[89.574]C[meatini [5k]: w changed the tone of this game];B[ed]BL[879.321];W[dc]WL[79.912]C[tsutsui1 [-]: isnt it epicfarhan [2k]: still id take the 5 whitiesClynch7 [4k]: just me or is b ahead?asdxasd: i think they are goodasdxasd: =)tsutsui1 [-]: harmod [8k]: hmm f18 looks niceasdxasd: XDDrmod [8k]: I mean f19Mitr [5k]: R15 ko?xgw09 [1k]: b is 20 points aheadTheTuss [7k]: isnt b risking too much?radishimo [4k]: no he isntStevenStar [2k]: f16radishimo [4k]: bottom isnt settled at alltypeb [1k]: e14where [11k?]: SE says that B is dead on top and W leads by 20];B[db]BL[791.29]C[Roto [6k]: how many libs does the G18 pillar have?TheTuss [7k]: se is wrongradishimo [4k]: durp durp durpradishimo [4k]: se durpmafutrct [1d]: 3];W[cb]WL[61.421]C[TheTuss [7k]: durp?];B[fd]BL[784.17]C[StevenStar [2k]: wowStevenStar [2k]: he did itShana [3d]: what he dogary168 [7k]: time will be a factor nowStevenStar [2k]: f16Woodward [7k]: saved the stonesTheTuss [7k]: they werent in dangergary168 [7k]: and b is leadingNoyoko [7k]: i don't see itChachi [2k]: black leadsNoyoko [7k]: black wasn't in danger from what i sawxgw09 [1k]: h10TheTuss [7k]: b just managed to bite a bit of cornerShana [3d]: 7ks are so much stronger than 2ksTheTuss [7k]: from my perspectivew00t [2d]: b13 i thinkLEIBNIZ [3k]: b has option to cutmeatini [5k]: d11];W[nl]WL[30]OW[5]C[Noyoko [7k]: is that what makes you a 3d these days? the ability to condescend?gary168 [7k]: w will not have much middle, Shana [3d]: nobody will];B[om]BL[761.199]C[rmod [8k]: odd move for white];W[lk]WL[30]OW[5]C[Woodward [7k]: e14 cut is coolCyphis [2k]: seems pretty desperate];B[ol]BL[743.765]C[meatini [5k]: now u say w will not have middle?];W[jk]WL[30]OW[5]C[Shana [3d]: he wontShana [3d]: she*rmod [8k]: k12 timeBrunoA [2k]: white is taking his chances];B[hi]BL[732.19]C[sunari [8k?]: her!meatini [5k]: w winfarhan [2k]: no, white will be divided and eaten];W[gi]WL[30]OW[5]C[Rakurai [6k]: Feng Yun is a woman.Khim [1d]: no chances, the carrots are cookedBrunoA [2k]: ohMDB15 [16k]: lol];B[ih]BL[716.459]C[BrunoA [2k]: did not knowRakurai [6k]: loldualraum [-]: Let's see a 9dan pro catch up! :-)Cyphis [2k]: wait];W[hj]WL[30]OW[5]C[Cyphis [2k]: isn't woman 9d a different division?];B[ig]BL[709.356]C[MDB15 [16k]: lol];W[ii]WL[30]OW[5]C[TheTuss [7k]: jeez];B[jh]BL[706.741];W[cm]WL[30]OW[5]C[Clynch7 [4k]: nice tradexgw09 [1k]: nice for wrmod [8k]: seemed better for white];B[el]BL[695.528]C[shika12 [-]: how so?kingme2 [3k]: how nice?MDB15 [16k]: just watchTheTuss [7k]: p8 weak k9 strongStevenStar [2k]: do w has confindence to kill b?Clynch7 [4k]: strong outsidejw556 [2d]: c11rmod [8k]: well k12 did the same thing but doesn't stregthen whitexgw09 [1k]: get rid of a burden and something bckshika12 [-]: doubtful that white can kill blackRakurai [6k]: I know women can become a pro through the womens pro exams. FlameBlade [-]: prefer black here];W[di]WL[30]OW[5]C[benjisan [4k]: white all dead!typeb [1k]: b has failedbenjisan [4k]: ^^shika12 [-]: yeashika12 [-]: black has very strong position];B[ci]BL[678.245]C[MDB15 [16k]: ...epic failmeatini [5k]: it time to fight back wHu [4k?]: Epic kibitz fail.tynogo [10k]: all or nothing gzme];W[cj]WL[30]OW[5]C[Woodward [7k]: haha];B[dj]BL[675.779];W[bi]WL[30]OW[5]C[Noyoko [7k]: how did black fail?MDB15 [16k]: lmaoWoodward [7k]: d13 introubleBlockdude [5k]: lolClynch7 [4k]: k4 area huuuuugegegegegNoyoko [7k]: oh i see (was behind on moves)Shana [3d]: both are finekingme2 [3k]: go tojw556 [2d]: E11 was betterkingme2 [3k]: go topshika12 [-]: i prefer b, but not impossible game for wHu [4k?]: W under great time pressure.Noyoko [7k]: black still loooks to be in major lead to mefarhan [2k]: give up this one stone and keep sentekevlar [14k]: 323szxc3a2sw2323223232zxzsawaszswAmerBeton [7k]: especially if w killskevlar [14k]: oopstsutsui1 [-]: hehejw556 [2d]: nvm];B[ch]BL[621.668]C[Shana [3d]: well b got more solid pts but if u were 9p u could change that easilykevlar [14k]: sorryfarhan [2k]: awkwardjw556 [2d]: E11rmod [8k]: ha white isn't under time pressure. White is under position pressureshika12 [-]: feng yun is tired from watching us amateurs play at the New Jersey open is all];W[ck]WL[30]OW[5]C[shika12 [-]: >.>];B[ei]BL[619.341]C[MDB15 [16k]: lolClynch7 [4k]: k4Shana [3d]: so shika its ur fault if she loses?Clynch7 [4k]: gogoMdx [19k]: that's a real position pressureshika12 [-]: >.> shush uMDB15 [16k]: LMFAOOmniscient [1k]: why couldn't W play E11?shika12 [-]: i forgot to ask her to review my gameAmerBeton [7k]: e12shika12 [-]: so it's not my fault :pFemto [3k]: driving tesujiHu [4k?]: W lost a byo-yomi];W[gf]WL[30]OW[4]C[jakontin [4k]: g7applecart [2d]: w+101.5thanglong [3k]: W lose by time :))Mdx [19k]: ouchgary168 [7k]: b has a lot of time leftShana [3d]: sente probablyshika12 [-]: ?];B[fh]BL[600.368]C[Clynch7 [4k]: koShana [3d]: i could be lyingapplecart [2d]: not a koClynch7 [4k]: at f19 ;)?LEIBNIZ [3k]: nice movefarhan [2k]: nice ];W[gh]WL[30]OW[4]C[rmod [8k]: e14 block pleaseClynch7 [4k]: what up with g14?applecart [2d]: f19 would have caught directlyapplecart [2d]: no, it wouldn'tIlanKeshet [6k]: L13 is sente?applecart [2d]: i'm drunkIlanKeshet [6k]: *seki];B[cc]BL[562.979]C[Tetriste [-]: not a ko, f19 l19IlanKeshet [6k]: L13 is seki?dualraum [-]: Not E14, would be bad timingTheTuss [7k]: woah c17?];W[bc]WL[30]OW[4]C[mafutrct [1d]: its a probe];B[ca]BL[560.1]C[shika12 [-]: super probemafutrct [1d]: to see if e14 is sentejeffywhite [1k]: quick look at semafutrct [1d]: or c19Cyphis [2k]: can't be seki IIanIlanKeshet [6k]: yes it can't be..];W[bb]WL[30]OW[4]C[Shana [3d]: quick look at rule set firstTetriste [-]: w winsIlanKeshet [6k]: so isn't ten l13 huge?Tetriste [-]: se says sojeffywhite [1k]: SE says white by 120];B[hl]BL[540.702]C[dualraum [-]: L13 is -1 pointCyphis [2k]: IIan, l13, m13 j15 n13 IlanKeshet [6k]: ooh i have to learn to count libertiesccbrian [20k?]: why does white seem all dead to me?xgw09 [1k]: w g14 strangeccbrian [20k?]: score setimator is so wrongShana [3d]: then this must be a 50 pt move since its white by 70 now];W[en]WL[30]OW[4]C[jeffywhite [1k]: wow what a move, black came back by like 50 pointsccbrian [20k?]: which one?Shana [3d]: ninja'd xDccbrian [20k?]: which move jeffywhite? sorry i was awaymafutrct [1d]: he was jokingccbrian [20k?]: o :/frack: w center is weak!imjdcs [5k]: j9ccbrian [20k?]: who'swinning now btw?farhan [2k]: what about J9 ?think9000 [3k]: bccbrian [20k?]: black right?meatini [5k]: w will eat d13+o7];B[gm]BL[479.623]C[farhan [2k]: bCyphis [2k]: no one knows, ccbrianccbrian [20k?]: ok];W[gk]WL[30]OW[4]C[jeffywhite [1k]: white by like 100dualraum [-]: Is there a bot which uses SE for scoring? Would be fun!farhan [2k]: b j9frack: b e14ccbrian [20k?]: no....score estimator is wrongWoodward [7k]: f10Shana [3d]: if black is winning i dont think it would be over 10 ptsWoodward [7k]: white short on eyesClynch7 [4k]: se never ever wrong];B[gl]BL[456.559]C[Cyphis [2k]: yeah off by a bit at least =PAmerBeton [7k]: se on drugsmafutrct [1d]: there is no programmatic access to SE so noFraser [9k]: e14Domgo [5k]: what does g9?think9000 [3k]: white miai connection];W[jj]WL[30]OW[4]C[Clynch7 [4k]: when se is wrong the players just made the wrong movesWoodward [7k]: oh, i see];B[gp]BL[445.392]C[Rakurai [6k]: SE is bad at knowing what groups are alive and aren't.];W[nq]WL[30]OW[4]C[Woodward [7k]: black wants it all down th ereroid4ef: hehehehChachi [2k]: why o3 so fastChachi [2k]: geezshika12 [-]: because she is proCyphis [2k]: fastCyphis [2k]: because he's in byo yomishika12 [-]: and she can do what ever she wantsHarmony [-]: M3 possible or too passive ?ccbrian [20k?]: white plays very strangely throughoutfarhan [2k]: b O4 seems right 4 meShana [3d]: probes gotta be fast or u cant scare the pants off your opponentHu [4k?]: W using B's time to think.shika12 [-]: lolTsujigiri [9k]: LOL];B[op]BL[398.011]C[Hu [4k?]: Just like B used W's time to think in the early part of the game.farhan [2k]: also goodMeepy [-]: i'm using my time to eat ice cream];W[iq]WL[30]OW[4]C[ccbrian [20k?]: u know black should just play super fastshika12 [-]: i do not believe it's feng yun's wish to get mingjiu's pants offCyphis [2k]: I'd venture to say they are both thinking on others' turn.......Hu [4k?]: Ahem, shika12.ccbrian [20k?]: dont give white time to thinkClynch7 [4k]: noTsujigiri [9k]: LOL~~Clynch7 [4k]: they take naps during opponents turnOphelia [?]: no!  it's against the rules.  you aren't allowed to think when its not your turn!Turgid [8k?]: so isn't black destroying white?farhan [2k]: B H2 nowbillbell [1d]: attack?shika12 [-]: lol opheliaccbrian [20k?]: completelyClynch7 [4k]: v+150Turgid [8k?]: because a lot of people seem to be saying otherwiseHu [4k?]: Please don't make comments like that in games like this.  It is extremely disrespectful of these professional players, shika12.ccbrian [20k?]: white has nothingccbrian [20k?]: the way i see itbillbell [1d]: white has 3 cornewsMDB15 [16k]: look the other way then];B[fq]BL[335.469]C[BobbyOcean [-]: why doesn't w h15?Steve [-]: its disrespectful of the admins to pretend to do their jobs, hu.w00t [2d]: and not respect other watchersfarhan [2k]: thats too greedy];W[eq]WL[30]OW[4]C[shika12 [-]: o.o what did i say wrong?roid4ef: greedy *ahem* "player"Steve [-]: just ignore him shikaMDB15 [16k]: Nobody knows];B[kq]BL[322.811]C[Steve [-]: he just thinks hes an adminHu [4k?]: I'm not. It is good advice to shika12 not to make comments so disrespectful of these pros.michiko123 [8k]: i think e3 very bad];W[kp]WL[30]OW[4]C[farhan [2k]: im talking about the game, sirsMDB15 [16k]: maybe you just took a breath of life and it made him coughTetriste [-]: I'm an admin in disguiseShana [3d]: he might be an admin someday, if java can be an admin then...Sarcasm [?]: shika plz make more comments like thatccbrian [20k?]: white's always sticking to black's stones....sweety [-]: Let's keep the comments about the game!];B[lq]BL[304.821]C[MDB15 [16k]: O.o kkroid4ef: thanks sweetyShana [3d]: omg w is gonna live!roid4ef: lolClynch7 [4k]: i think you missed the not part of shikas sentenceOphelia [?]: sweety, I <3 uSteve [-]: yeah hu, keep it about the gameHu [4k?]: Thanks.Schnappala [1k]: <3 sweety :)Tetriste [-]: is e3 dead?];W[gn]WL[30]OW[4]C[roid4ef: yeah the uh, um, "game"Harmony [-]: ccbrian : that's because W is up against many of them, she's looking for sente movesED00 [1k]: game over long time ago];B[hn]BL[288.151]C[roid4ef: yeah, she's rly taking the "initiative"farhan [2k]: trying to swallaow the kosumi ...shika12 [-]: it's not over yet];W[go]WL[30]OW[4]C[Shana [3d]: we need a system to prevent guests from talking since u cant ban them];B[ho]BL[273.436]C[Pinkitty [2k?]: *gives sweety a flowering ko*roid4ef: yeah...she can't decide on how to swallow gryn [2k]: it's not over till fengyun singsfarhan [2k]: well its not easy to swallow a kosumi !xgw09 [1k]: cut!Tetriste [-]: cantCookies [1d]: just censor? :DBlockdude [5k]: f4holynec [?]: omg!Harmony [-]: last warning roid4ef];W[hp]WL[30]OW[4]C[holynec [?]: this game is craZY!MDB15 [16k]: my godbillbell [1d]: kosumi battleMssrBlanc [3k]: I just showed up.  What tournament is this?Tetriste [-]: omgwowshika12 [-]: this isgood for wTheTuss [7k]: agashika12 [-]: b misread];B[fp]BL[238.05]C[fibundle [2k]: big corner.billbell [1d]: no misread];W[eo]WL[30]OW[4]C[Aurain [13k]: f9 for w?Aurain [13k]: to cutshika12 [-]: are you sure you donot misread?Tetriste [-]: I count w+140,5];B[ip]BL[226.414]C[Khim [1d]: lot of empty trianglebillbell [1d]: count againKhim [1d]: who say it's bad shape?];W[hq]WL[30]OW[4]C[shika12 [-]: w win liberty race];B[jq]BL[224.472]C[Omniscient [1k]: B H9Woodward [7k]: how'd you get that comma in there?shika12 [-]: g2kingme2 [3k]: it's very niceDomgo [5k]: k4ED00 [1k]: w center not live yetcoolbabe [5d]: over];W[im]WL[30]OW[4];B[hm]BL[221.333]C[kingme2 [3k]: kill itbadukOD: lots emply triangleBlockdude [5k]: with fireViolence [?]: I think this game is overroid4ef: well, it lasted a couple of minutesbadukOD: mean fierce fight styletufe1966 [4d]: w lost];W[ln]WL[30]OW[4]C[Igomind [1d]: 9p slayer on the houseTheTuss [7k]: empty triangle full of win];B[mo]BL[213.365]C[Turgid [8k?]: empty triangle?Clynch7 [4k]: the shaperoid4ef: full of win!coolbabe [5d]: game overClynch7 [4k]: at c13-12 and e13badukOD: up dude];W[jp]WL[30]OW[4];B[io]BL[210.407]C[sacrify [2d]: -20Clynch7 [4k]: and others are called empty triangleJpLennon [1k]: SE aint making sense :SIgomind [1d]: w pushed to much all over];W[lp]WL[30]OW[4]C[roid4ef: lolHu [4k?]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EmptyTriangleOmniscient [1k]: G2Violence [?]: n3typohh [12k]: err.. b g7 doesnt have eyes, right?];B[mq]BL[194.424]C[Turgid [8k?]: thanksroid4ef: yeah w rly put too much inShana [3d]: it has eyes under j3TheTuss [7k]: d11 alsoChachi [2k]: i can never tell if this is spray and pray or if white has a planTheTuss [7k]: e10 cpould be one easy tooTurgid [8k?]: lol, spray and prayBlockdude [5k]: does g2 work?Turgid [8k?]: nice sayingfarhan [2k]: B G2 is winning the three whitiesroid4ef: rofl];W[mp]WL[30]OW[3];B[np]BL[190.765]C[Clynch7 [4k]: spray and pray goes for fps games not go XDbadukOD: resign is honteroid4ef: well, as long as there are two players....Mdx [19k]: white's on 2 byoShana [3d]: no matter, she lostIgomind [1d]: after this b goes e14 for the remaining kill];W[da]WL[30]OW[2]C[gary168 [7k]: b w anywayjw556 [2d]: b +17?];B[ka]BL[181.767]C[Igomind [1d]: tenukiTurgid [8k?]: mingjiu looks tired/serious in his pic...shika12 [-]: tenuki badshika12 [-]: ko if tenukiDomgo [5k]: white seeking for timeFlameBlade [-]: mmm...mingjiu not in time trouble...so far...I'm surprised];W[jr]WL[30]OW[2]C[FlameBlade [-]: hope he doesn't lose on time like he did before];B[kr]BL[174.747]C[Rookwood [2k]: that his "I once killed a group in Reno, just to watch it die" lookWoodward [7k]: haha];W[fr]WL[30]OW[2];B[gr]BL[171.743];W[er]WL[30]OW[2]C[Woodward [7k]: who has'nt killed a group in renoxgw09 [1k]: h2Mdx [19k]: reno =?ED00 [1k]: h2sunari [8k?]: whats reno?Woodward [7k]: a citygryn [2k]: in nevadaasdxasd: reno 911Turgid [8k?]: I don't get why they gave only 30 seconds of byo yomi. I mean, if it's an hour main time, why make the byo yomi so short?billbell [1d]: french actor];B[qo]BL[142.421]C[Cyphis [2k]: Reno is the biggest little city];W[sn]WL[30]OW[2];B[sp]BL[138.443];W[so]WL[30]OW[2]C[Domgo [5k]: what do you think of p6jw556 [2d]: why not just l6Shana [3d]: futileED00 [1k]: or m5FlameBlade [-]: looks like "I win endgame"Igomind [1d]: m7Domgo [5k]: ooo nvm];B[bh]BL[117.49]C[kitsune [2k]: yeahPinkitty [2k?]: h2Cyphis [2k]: h2?typohh [12k]: w wins if f4 dies?masaomi [?]: h2 h1 kitsune [2k]: j2 looks goodCookies [1d]: yes but f4 doesn't dieClynch7 [4k]: yeahClynch7 [4k]: butMr12345678 [5d]: ggMDB15 [16k]: owwwwwwwwwwwwaChoai [2d]: wowtynogo [10k]: whoaFlameBlade [-]: good game, bothSchnappala [1k]: nice gamebadukOD: GGgryn [2k]: wheeeClynch7 [4k]: it wont at least not without anything in retirnnightwolf [11k?]: wicked o.oVKR [?]: ggMdx [19k]: gee geebillbell [1d]: Thank you KGS ccbrian [20k?]: i knew it black was pwningmingjiu [7p]: thanksWoolyMaCha [5k]:   excellent fightccbrian [20k?]: great gamecynewulf [-]: impressive showingmchoi555 [2k]: unusual game.WoolyMaCha [5k]:     Thanks both.JMW64 [11k]: applausecoolbabe [5d]: mingjiu can speak englishgary168 [7k]: thanksccbrian [20k?]: i feel like fengyun was trying to experiment new movesPAUCHOK [-]: wowranger09 [5k]: nice to seetufe1966 [4d]: so is fengyunTetriste [-]: feng left without word :Occbrian [20k?]: he leftccbrian [20k?]: hahaClynch7 [4k]: sheccbrian [20k?]: embarassed? :/Khim [1d]: sometimes it's hard :)Tetriste [-]: well it is a tournament...ccbrian [20k?]: o it's a tournamentKhim [1d]: tournament?w00t [2d]: b held the early leadindianayk [4d]: what kind of tournment?FlameBlade [-]: chunlan qualifiers, presumablyFlameBlade [-]: someone needs to advertise this thing better *coughs*sunari [8k?]: agreeTurgid [8k?]: so why did they decide to play each other on kgs again?Turgid [8k?]: lolTurgid [8k?]: jkTurgid [8k?]: cept not really, I'm just too dumb to read earlier postsbenjisan [4k]: the wic tournamentgary168 [7k]:  陈兰？benjisan [4k]: World inc cupsunari [8k?]: AGA Chunlan Cup qualifierbenjisan [4k]: hq ok^^JPollock [15k]: Its was to be a representative for a tournament cup or something :\JPollock [15k]: yea thatAurain [13k]: can w cut with f9 after saved b11])