(;FF[4]CA[UTF-8]GM[1]DT[2021-01-19]PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/30255126]GN[European Grand Prix Finale]PB[breakfast]PW[artem92]BR[?]WR[?]TM[2700]OT[20 fischer]RE[W+6.5]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RU[Japanese];B[qd](;W[dp](;B[dd](;W[pp](;B[kd](;W[cc](;B[dc](;W[cd](;B[ce](;W[be](;B[cf](;W[bf](;B[cg](;W[fq](;B[qn](;W[pj](;B[np](;W[no](;B[lp]C[dlpigozzi: boom, hi everyoneZaphodian: Hi everybodykusrabs: Удачи, Александр!!!kusrabs: Hello, camaradesHongAnhKhoa: Hi everyoneZaphodian: So a new move by Diner. M4 is usually at N5Handibot: not exactly newHandibot: it's an old joseki](;W[op]C[Zaphodian: It's not old - I don't think it exists as a joseki](;B[nq](;W[mo](;B[jq]C[Zaphodian: [object Object]Goyer: but with p4 white made more sense for the black stone r6 - is it good ?Zaphodian: ??? no. But I do think K3 should be at R8ys3: id feel more uncomfortable with w getting k3OndraKruml: not so easy to find next move for white, p2 looks a bit overplayishys3: black has room with the pincer being furtherZaphodian: [object Object]Zaphodian: [object Object]dlpigozzi: so this is battle for the 1st position in the group and so avoiding Ilya next roundHandibot: zaphodian if you ever have happened to have visited the OGS joseki site ou'll find the move.dlpigozzi: important matchZaphodian: [object Object]suprinkonorta: let em playys3: its ok they cant see our chatys3: they wouldnt listen to us anywayZaphodian: I don;t care about the joseki site. Anybody can input data there. In all of my 50 years of play, I have never seen it in a pro game.nadoss: I'm curious why white didn't complete the upper left josekiys3: w can tenuki that](;W[qq]C[Handibot: ur 60?ys3: thats interestingHandibot: wow.nadoss: white typically plays B13 exchange before tenukiZaphodian: Top left - OLD joseki, but very bad for W.ys3: usually, yeah, but its not required if you have some other thing you want to do