(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[3]KM[7.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]PW[baduk1]PB[Kimsamsam]BR[9d]DT[2018-05-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp][pp]RE[W+6.50];W[dd]WL[1763.642]C[baduk1 [-]: testing Leela Master 20B w11 ];B[fc]BL[1722.754];W[cf]WL[1753.789];B[dg]BL[1710.4];W[cg]WL[1745.309];B[di]BL[1707.806];W[fq]WL[1738.216];B[cn]BL[1694.001];W[cr]WL[1694.63];B[nq]BL[1620.899];W[dq]WL[1682.381];B[cp]BL[1614.141];W[ep]WL[1662.394];B[mc]BL[1594.952];W[ro]WL[1629.106];B[rp]BL[1575.315]C[clossius [1d]: Go Youngsam! Fighting!];W[nr]WL[1625.831]C[ihmsje [-]: i hope the master version knows better on how to play against handicap^^];B[qo]BL[1507.161];W[mq]WL[1597.821]C[Jermelle [?]: s5 o2 wut];B[np]BL[1497.019]C[ihmsje [-]: move invented by ilya shikshin if i remember correctly];W[en]WL[1574.299];B[dl]BL[1427.109];W[qf]WL[1564.531];B[qd]BL[1419.146];W[qi]WL[1558.574];B[qk]BL[1383.777];W[pr]WL[1542.931];B[kp]BL[1359.402];W[mp]WL[1536.252];B[mo]BL[1354.99];W[lo]WL[1529.474];B[lp]BL[1348.818];W[lr]WL[1499.298];B[ln]BL[1335.429];W[pk]WL[1491.743];B[ql]BL[1215.978];W[qj]WL[1403.862];B[oj]BL[1213.306];W[oi]WL[1394.193];B[ni]BL[1181.221];W[oh]WL[1386.42];B[ch]BL[1138.357];W[db]WL[1373.989];B[fe]BL[1099.683];W[pl]WL[1346.016]C[Nils [3d]: what is leela master version - another version of LZ?atiyah [-]: the idea is pretty simple i think: after s5 s4, white wants to play r4 but black can resist at r5atiyah [-]: if black answers o2 at n2 then black can live in the corner with r4r5 r3];B[pj]BL[1025.638];W[qm]WL[1344.374];B[rm]BL[1023.576]C[atiyah [-]: so white gets either the corner or good shape on one of the edges];W[pm]WL[1323.019];B[qn]BL[1005.063]C[wurfmaul [3d]: Yes, Leela Master is a version of LZ that was trained not only by self-play games, but also by human games, as far as I know];W[nj]WL[1303.992];B[nk]BL[985.65]C[wurfmaul [3d]: so it's not really Zero];W[mj]WL[1299.995];B[ok]BL[984.726];W[mk]WL[1296.773];B[om]BL[979.012]C[Lilou [-]: WIL THERE BE AN IA BOT TOURNAMENT ?];W[md]WL[1289.762]C[Lilou [-]: sry for maj];B[ld]BL[946.832];W[nc]WL[1281.335];B[nd]BL[917.404];W[me]WL[1278.235];B[ne]BL[916.699];W[lc]WL[1270.049];B[mb]BL[914.679]C[First [1k?]: koreans are not robotsFirst [1k?]: I could explain, but it would take me a while];W[kc]WL[1246.805];B[nb]BL[908.727];W[mf]WL[1238.948];B[kr]BL[876.61];W[rr]WL[1188.274];B[df]BL[850.665]C[SHrenov [4k]: not tournament. it's simple baduk1 buy good computer and became a bot lover xD];W[de]WL[1182.211];B[eb]BL[849.836];W[ec]WL[1178.78];B[fb]BL[845.625](;W[oc]WL[1178.087]C[rubicon [3d]: yes, and he makes videos];B[ob]BL[814.3];W[ef]WL[1175.529];B[ee]BL[810.519]C[rubicon [3d]: https://youtu.be/S4jIcJckqqo];W[cj]WL[1167.091];B[bi]BL[792.076]C[SHrenov [4k]: yes, too many videos with bots last time];W[ek]WL[1160.592]C[SHrenov [4k]: last month maybe];B[cc]BL[757.588];W[cb]WL[1147.517]C[wurfmaul [3d]: Apparently there will be an ai tournament, though (that was the question, right?): https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/8ixtp7/new_ai_tournament_coming/SHrenov [4k]: AI tournament on KGS?wurfmaul [3d]: noSHrenov [4k]: anyway, not interesting for me. they all play better than me xD];B[lq]BL[676.421];W[mr]WL[1141.783]C[SHrenov [4k]: or any humans on this planet];B[ko]BL[671.722];W[eg]WL[1133.875];B[dh]BL[669.904];W[bc]WL[1128.463];B[je]BL[644.231];W[gf]WL[1114.648];B[ge]BL[619.625];W[bj]WL[1090.894];B[fi]BL[559.641];W[bl]WL[1080.433];B[cl]BL[551.978];W[bm]WL[1076.77];B[dn]BL[551.178];W[dj]WL[1072.826]C[SHrenov [4k]: oops?];B[em]BL[465.533];W[gj]WL[1064.483];B[eo]BL[392.381];W[hg]WL[1062.1];B[hh]BL[296.493];W[he]WL[1052.946];B[gh]BL[267.35];W[ff]WL[1049.119];B[hd]BL[261.091];W[ie]WL[1047.695];B[id]BL[255.411];W[jd]WL[1046.203];B[ke]BL[151.832]C[clossius [1d]: Black wins this? Maybe? lol];W[jf]WL[905.659]C[domie [1k]: Now bots are the strongest go players, we can say Go is not an art ... that makes me sad];B[kf]BL[121.13]C[Cassanova [4k]: same happend with chessNils [3d]: IBMs watson is able to write beautiful poetry.., would you say poetry is not an art?domie [1k]: but I never liked chess very much];W[ih]WL[856.23]C[First [1k?]: huh];B[ii]BL[105.727]C[First [1k?]: I thought rengo and chess were exactly the sameFirst [1k?]: torture of yourself and others];W[jh]WL[848.816];B[hj]BL[103.213];W[gk]WL[844.015]C[Cassanova [4k]: what do you mean?domie [1k]: I didn't know machines write poetryNils [3d]: they do - and all other kind of things. go is still an art, dont worry ;)domie [1k]: how can you write poetry without beinf able to feel emotions ?];B[jg]BL[8.67]C[domie [1k]: that can only be a mechanical stuffNils [3d]: nope, it is creative - google yourself mate];W[kh]WL[792.663];B[il]BL[7.088];W[kd]WL[772.215];B[eh]BL[60]OB[5];W[bq]WL[750.707];B[cq]BL[60]OB[5];W[br]WL[719.198]C[domie [1k]: creative ... who decides that ? hard to say if something is real art nor not];B[bp]BL[60]OB[5];W[an]WL[701.718]C[Cassanova [4k]: i never heard board games could be art];B[ap]BL[60]OB[5];W[hl]WL[683.759];B[fl]BL[60]OB[5];W[ik]WL[657.483];B[hk]BL[60]OB[5];W[gl]WL[646.146];B[jk]BL[60]OB[5];W[im]WL[639.112];B[jl]BL[60]OB[5];W[fn]WL[636.47];B[fo]BL[60]OB[5];W[fm]WL[632.646];B[el]BL[60]OB[5];W[hn]WL[629.394]C[domie [1k]: B played a move to cut W but didn't cut yet];B[gq]BL[60]OB[4];W[gp]WL[609.092];B[fp]BL[60]OB[4];W[eq]WL[603.948];B[go]BL[60]OB[4];W[hp]WL[598.569];B[fr]BL[60]OB[4];W[er]WL[591.604]C[wurfmaul [3d]: here is an article on computer generated modern art I once came across: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/rutgers-artificial-intelligence-art-1019066];B[fk]BL[60]OB[4];W[fj]WL[587.802];B[ej]BL[60]OB[4];W[ei]WL[584.175];B[es]BL[60]OB[4];W[dr]WL[579.709];B[ej]BL[60]OB[4];W[cm]WL[576.61];B[dm]BL[60]OB[4];W[ei]WL[574.978];B[ho]BL[60]OB[4];W[ej]WL[564.624]C[SHrenov [4k]: modern art sucks, so... i'm sure machine can do better than humans now xD];B[gr]BL[60]OB[4];W[jj]WL[553.728];B[ij]BL[60]OB[4]C[wurfmaul [3d]: haha, right, traditional art is probably more challenging for bots];W[gi]WL[548.068]C[SHrenov [4k]: yeswurfmaul [3d]: (I was not kidding)SHrenov [4k]: i'm too xD];B[jn]BL[60]OB[4];W[aq]WL[522.837];B[as]BL[60]OB[4];W[ds]WL[514.35];B[bs]BL[60]OB[4];W[hb]WL[509.557];B[ib]BL[60]OB[4];W[jb]WL[499.625];B[ia]BL[60]OB[4];W[ic]WL[489.258];B[hc]BL[60]OB[4]C[SHrenov [4k]: j13 not an option?];W[jm]WL[476.116];B[ll]BL[60]OB[4];W[gd]WL[470.175]C[wurfmaul [3d]: j13 l13 I think];B[gc]BL[60]OB[4];W[ha]WL[465.872];B[jc]BL[60]OB[4];W[ip]WL[462.182];B[iq]BL[60]OB[4];W[ic]WL[458.021];B[ce]BL[60]OB[4]C[SHrenov [4k]: yes, not work];W[fh]WL[432.086];B[jc]BL[60]OB[4];W[io]WL[426.532];B[in]BL[60]OB[4];W[ic]WL[423.496]C[SHrenov [4k]: w+res )];B[rq]BL[60]OB[4];W[ja]WL[401.95];B[sr]BL[60]OB[4];W[re]WL[398.777];B[rd]BL[60]OB[4];W[do]WL[385.831];B[co]BL[60]OB[4];W[rj]WL[376.588];B[ol]BL[60]OB[4];W[gn]WL[371.254];B[do]BL[60]OB[4];W[hi]WL[368.706]C[Cassanova [4k]: b13 is bad?];B[pg]BL[60]OB[3];W[qg]WL[359.177];B[km]BL[60]OB[3];W[ji]WL[353.864];B[hm]BL[60]OB[3]C[wurfmaul [3d]: b13 b15 b14 c14, only one eye];W[gm]WL[348.004];B[ik]BL[60]OB[3];W[ml]WL[343.195];B[qe]BL[60]OB[3];W[rf]WL[338.982];B[nf]BL[60]OB[3];W[ng]WL[334.717];B[og]BL[60]OB[3];W[mh]WL[330.224];B[pf]BL[60]OB[3];W[sd]WL[326.597];B[sc]BL[60]OB[3];W[se]WL[325.46];B[rc]BL[60]OB[3];W[mm]WL[321.209];B[nm]BL[60]OB[3];W[mn]WL[313.986];B[nn]BL[60]OB[3];W[lb]WL[310.335];B[ph]BL[60]OB[3];W[pi]WL[308.244]C[Cassanova [4k]: nice];B[sk]BL[60]OB[3];W[rk]WL[304.411];B[rl]BL[60]OB[3];W[ma]WL[301.51];B[pb]BL[60]OB[3];W[lk]WL[297.778];B[kk]BL[60]OB[3];W[kj]WL[294.632];B[qh]BL[60]OB[3];W[rh]WL[292.808];B[im]BL[60]OB[3];W[sj]WL[288.173];B[sl]BL[60]OB[3];W[ck]WL[283.613];B[hq]BL[60]OB[3];W[na]WL[278.993];B[oa]BL[60]OB[3];W[la]WL[277.253];B[lm]BL[60]OB[3];W[bn]WL[271.455];B[jp]BL[60]OB[3];W[dk]WL[266.338];B[jo]BL[60]OB[3];W[nl]WL[253.097];B[]BL[60]OB[3];W[]WL[226.617]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ia][ka][ab][bb][eb][fb][gb][ib][kb][ac][cc][dc][fc][gc][hc][jc][ad][bd][cd][ed][fd][hd][id][ld][ae][be][ce][ee][fe][ge][je][ke][le][af][bf][df][hf][if][kf][lf][sf][ag][bg][dg][fg][gg][ig][jg][kg][lg][mg][rg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][eh][gh][hh][lh][nh][sh][ai][bi][ci][di][fi][ki][li][mi][ni][ri][si][aj][lj][ak][bk][al][am]TB[pa][qa][ra][sa][qb][rb][sb][nc][oc][pc][qc][od][oe][pe][of][pk][kl][pl][jm][pm][qm][sm][kn][on][pn][rn][sn][io][lo][no][oo][po][ro][so][ep][gp][hp][ip][mp][op][qp][sp][aq][bq][dq][eq][fq][jq][kq][mq][oq][pq][qq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][hr][ir][jr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr][cs][ds][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[SHrenov [4k]: black win, i'm surprizedbaduk1 [-]: tySHrenov [4k]: no, white win )ihmsje [-]: oha so master better in handy?Kimsamsam [9d]: thxFirst [1k?]: this is the power of baduk1clossius [1d]: Nice game! Good fighting!baduk1 [-]: lolbaduk1 [-]: this is power of LMbaduk1 [-]: but one move I made myselfbaduk1 [-]: o2 :) clossius [1d]: Best I can do is beat Leela 0.11 on my computer with 5 stones XDhvk [-]: gg tx Cassanova [4k]: baduk1 beats 9p?craig [4k]: why?Omicron [1d]: Leela master beat 8dbaduk1 [-]: Cassanova, yes, every day before breakfast 2-3 times craig [4k]: lol is not the correct response after thxSHrenov [4k]: with 3 handi stones...Omicron [1d]: you also beat breakfast?!SHrenov [4k]: god bless semiconductors!])(;W[ef]WL[1172.625]))