(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]SO[gokifu.com]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[300]OT[3x20 byo-yomi]PW[kghin]PB[eku]WR[8d]BR[8d]DT[2011-06-11]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[eku [8d]: hikghin [8d]: hiAsum [1k]: hi]RE[B+39.50];B[pd]BL[293.532];W[dd]WL[290.683];B[qp]BL[291.239];W[op]WL[278.745];B[oq]BL[285.114];W[nq]WL[257.356];B[pq]BL[283.046];W[qf]WL[216.039];B[nc]BL[279.081];W[dp]WL[195.194];B[fq]BL[269.204]C[lamanodios: eku=rapyuta?Rakuten [2k]: oO kfhin with time ! ];W[mp]WL[147.977];B[qn]BL[264.269];W[iq]WL[146.117]C[Rakuten [2k]: no eku=me ];B[cn]BL[259.209];W[fp]WL[140.435]C[xevad [-]: eku does not play enough games to be RapyutaRakuten [2k]: I'm cheating atm ];B[cq]BL[255.323];W[eq]WL[123.86];B[cp]BL[252.26];W[rd]WL[90.481];B[qc]BL[248.41]C[bourdie [3d?]: rapyuta doesn't play long games];W[qi]WL[77.269];B[cf]BL[244.949]C[Unicornz [1k]: and his username isn't eku eitherlamanodios: and rapy never said ''hi''Toge [1k]: Definition of "long game" is now 5 minutes and 20 seconds byo-yomi];W[fc]WL[58.606]C[bourdie [3d?]: yes];B[bd]BL[241.835]C[poirette [2d]: quite peaceful fusekiToge [1k]: Was a week in days past.Unicornz [1k]: in japan the trains mvoe quite clsoe to the speed of light, so town slows down for them];W[lc]WL[16.306]C[Unicornz [1k]: 8time slows down];B[cc]BL[233.727];W[rc]WL[4.513]C[CandD [-]: all your corners are belong to me];B[hd]BL[211.023];W[ff]WL[20]OW[3]C[xevad [-]: why is this game so long];B[dg]BL[187.511];W[eg]WL[20]OW[3];B[eh]BL[184.512]C[Rakuten [2k]: kghin is trying thinking I guess Asum [1k]: easier for us to follow];W[fh]WL[20]OW[3];B[ei]BL[175.868]C[Unicornz [1k]: this is faster than he usually playsRakuten [2k]: is he out of his losing streak yet ? ];W[of]WL[20]OW[3];B[ne]BL[172.024];W[oe]WL[20]OW[3]C[xevad [-]: he didn't cut.. man that would have been so much easier for black];B[od]BL[164.013];W[md]WL[20]OW[3];B[nd]BL[161.305];W[mb]WL[20]OW[3];B[nf]BL[154.446]C[Unicornz [1k]: he's giving peace a chance];W[lf]WL[20]OW[3];B[og]BL[150.619];W[qe]WL[20]OW[3];B[kd]BL[148.723]C[Zephiris [1d]: I wonder why top players always (98%) play blitz games];W[me]WL[20]OW[3]C[xevad [-]: hmm black might be playing a known sequence from memorybourdie [3d?]: Long games actually involve thinking.Toge [1k]: High-level strategy: intentionally leaving a weak group. What was it called in japanese?Unicornz [1k]: artem likes slow gamesRakuten [2k]: shinogi Unicornz [1k]: kamikazixevad [-]: artem is strong at slow gamesRakuten [2k]: sushi Cassherns [7k]: mexevad [-]: easy to be strong at something when you love it so much];B[ef]BL[62.094];W[fg]WL[20]OW[3]C[Asum [1k]: no its not];B[fd]BL[58.486]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: OH YAY GO EKUZephiris [1d]: so? this game is about thinking. Its more interesting to see, but i think for them better training too then always blitz :P but well, dnnoHotaruMiki [7d]: =))];W[ee]WL[20]OW[3]C[bourdie [3d?]: Blitz games are recreational.];B[gc]BL[45.604]C[xevad [-]: Asum you have never loved anything probablybourdie [3d?]: Slow games are work.];W[df]WL[20]OW[3];B[ce]BL[43.732];W[dh]WL[20]OW[3]C[Rakuten [2k]: seems like black is better on the board atm ];B[cg]BL[41.707]C[matomatala [5d?]: slow games are superior];W[fj]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: most dans blitz because they dont care much for net goxevad [-]: it is okay, hate can be just as useful as love for motivation];B[fi]BL[36.079];W[gi]WL[20]OW[3];B[gj]BL[34.832]C[osadeiny [4d]: i think pro would take white];W[hi]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: going on the internet is like a time to relax after along day of playing on a real goban];B[fk]BL[31.262];W[ej]WL[20]OW[3];B[di]BL[30.393]C[Unicornz [1k]: pros usually take w against amateurs#Ojisama [4k?]: pros always take what thez amateurs consider badmatomatala [5d?]: yeah, right];W[ek]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: if we were to play slower game we would have to think up more variations during the game =o];B[hg]BL[19.539];W[hf]WL[20]OW[3];B[if]BL[17.803];W[he]WL[20]OW[3];B[ie]BL[15.111];W[ig]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: but i still prefer slow over long =3];B[jg]BL[9.114];W[ih]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: i mean];B[lg]BL[5.42]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: .... slow over blitzHotaruMiki [7d]: lol =)];W[jd]WL[20]OW[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: blitz gives u orgasmslowcooker [1d]: :)Ojisama [4k?]: it just gives u a bad style depending on your levelxevad [-]: k16 is niceHotaruMiki [7d]: and thats gross ];B[jc]BL[20]OB[3]C[Cassherns [7k]: adrenaline];W[ke]WL[20]OW[3]C[xevad [-]: white tries to force the sequence?];B[je]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: nice by whiteslowcooker [1d]: this looks bad for wslowcooker [1d]: bslowcooker [1d]: *HotaruMiki [7d]: white wants to do n13HotaruMiki [7d]: earlier if he did he would just get cutmarsuplami [2k?]: w escapes];W[mg]WL[20]OW[3];B[mf]BL[20]OB[3];W[kg]WL[20]OW[3];B[lh]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: but still this is not good for white ];W[kh]WL[20]OW[3]C[Cassherns [7k]: ko!HotaruMiki [7d]: since the ko is in blacks favor if he takes k16 stone];B[li]BL[20]OB[3];W[dn]WL[20]OW[3];B[dm]BL[20]OB[3];W[em]WL[20]OW[3]C[Denmla11 [2k]: I like how high dans decidde to disregard simple and obvious, and choose complications...xevad [-]: why doesn't feel behind does he];B[do]BL[20]OB[3];W[en]WL[20]OW[3];B[jp]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: actually you know whats funny about that denmla =pmarsuplami [2k?]: complications sometimes gives some valueHotaruMiki [7d]: is the things kyu do are not simpleOotakamoku [1d]: I thought ignoring b c17 was bad, yet Ive seen kghin tenuki from it in many games (instead of answering at j17];W[ip]WL[20]OW[3]C[Denmla11 [2k]: lolRakuten [2k]: it felt in fuseki like he is trying extra hard to he calm HotaruMiki [7d]: kyu make things complicated on purpose when you ca just make things completely simple];B[jn]BL[20]OB[3];W[io]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: of course youl learn this in time =)];B[ln]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: most people back then use to call the moves kyu thought were good "cool moves"xevad [-]: Hotaru I make the games simpleslowcooker [1d]: everything is complicated if u cant see];W[km]WL[20]OW[3]C[xevad [-]: and still lose =)];B[lm]BL[20]OB[3]C[Rakuten [2k]: white doesn't have enough points ? Tsuchigumo [-]: Takagawa Kaku - a master of simple play];W[po]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: it takes mroe then making the game simple xevad xevad [-]: my record of losses already tells me that Miki];B[lp]BL[20]OB[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: that sounds complicated hotaru :)HotaruMiki [7d]: =) Unicornz [1k]: lee changho used to like making thigns simple];W[qo]WL[20]OW[3];B[ro]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: not so complicated once you figure out how];W[rn]WL[20]OW[3]C[marsuplami [2k?]: M4 surprisingslowcooker [1d]: yea the question is howslowcooker [1d]: :)xevad [-]: I lost quite a few games copying Lee ChanghoOotakamoku [1d]: does w own this ladder?HotaruMiki [7d]: practice practice practice =p];B[pn]BL[20]OB[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: b loses big here];W[on]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: no he doesntxevad [-]: you gotta understand really complicated stuff to make sure the game doesn't get out of hand];B[rm]BL[20]OB[3]C[Unicornz [1k]: ooooooh no he doens'tOotakamoku [1d]: w messed upOotakamoku [1d]: not b];W[rp]WL[20]OW[3];B[sn]BL[20]OB[3];W[rq]WL[20]OW[3];B[qr]BL[20]OB[3];W[rr]WL[20]OW[3];B[nr]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: o2];W[mr]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: upsHotaruMiki [7d]: black shoudl have it by 1 libmarsuplami [2k?]: stay hereHotaruMiki [7d]: because of o2 stone];B[no]BL[20]OB[3]C[mirmohkwin [13k]: hiskatergaga [3d]: b introuble?slowcooker [1d]: yeakoko25 [11k]: read it so fast hotaru haha];W[qq]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: wowOotakamoku [1d]: o2 does give a lib, and Im guessing hotaru knew the shape from beforeslowcooker [1d]: unothordoxHotaruMiki [7d]: whyed white just do thisosadeiny [4d]: ohohmatomatala [5d?]: o4..HotaruMiki [7d]: now black can do p5];B[oo]BL[20]OB[3]C[matomatala [5d?]: well, or thatmarsuplami [2k?]: yepslowcooker [1d]: that's ggHotaruMiki [7d]: thsi is too painful to watch Genkimaru [?]: it's a saying, two hane's is an extra libertyHotaruMiki [7d]: *sheilds eyesrukkawa [2d]: w miss];W[pr]WL[20]OW[3]C[kusbeyinli [11k]: :)marsuplami [2k?]: R3 false];B[np]BL[20]OB[3];W[kq]WL[20]OW[3]C[Ootakamoku [1d]: what amess for woracle [2k]: W should resignCassherns [7k]: q10HotaruMiki [7d]: yeah];B[ps]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: big ouchDenmla11 [2k]: well, w did got smth out of itxevad [-]: good result for black haha - "Ming Jiu"zaphodb [3d]: troubles started with L7 it seems?];W[qs]WL[20]OW[3];B[os]BL[20]OB[3];W[ss]WL[20]OW[3]C[Ootakamoku [1d]: lolmarsuplami [2k?]: wow];B[er]BL[20]OB[3];W[fr]WL[20]OW[3]C[marsuplami [2k?]: what a crush];B[dr]BL[20]OB[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: w is too behind];W[cm]WL[20]OW[3];B[gq]BL[20]OB[3];W[gr]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: white is now overconcentrating];B[gp]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: I think white focused on the attack of O17];W[hr]WL[20]OW[3]C[xevad [-]: but black already knew it was fineskatergaga [3d]: may be w 's reading ability is not deep enough];B[dl]BL[20]OB[3];W[cl]WL[20]OW[3]C[skatergaga [3d]: or careless readingosadeiny [4d]: black slipping abit nowHotaruMiki [7d]: e5];B[el]BL[20]OB[3];W[dj]WL[20]OW[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: oh wow];B[fm]BL[20]OB[3]C[jajangmyun [3k]: looks B ahead???marsuplami [2k?]: f5 ?];W[bn]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: someone is trying to outsmart someone here =/];B[ci]BL[20]OB[3];W[co]WL[20]OW[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: O.Omatomatala [5d?]: erm..];B[cj]BL[20]OB[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: blunderWarfreak2 [4d]: i vote for ekuxevad [-]: center.. destroyedzaphodb [3d]: swapping forth and backxevad [-]: or what little of it was actually there];W[fn]WL[20]OW[3];B[br]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: bottom left];W[bp]WL[20]OW[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: white i dont understand why he didnt go for kill];B[bq]BL[20]OB[3]C[w1n5t0n [3k]: anything left for w?];W[dc]WL[20]OW[3]C[Rakuten [2k]: lol the ko is going to be good for black... osadeiny [4d]: l14 ];B[gf]BL[20]OB[3]C[marsuplami [2k?]: F5 ?HotaruMiki [7d]: the ko will be good for black if he connects k16HotaruMiki [7d]: before he goes into the ko];W[ge]WL[20]OW[2];B[fe]BL[20]OB[3]C[simple [2d]: m2 big?];W[gg]WL[20]OW[2]C[osadeiny [4d]: no, he should connect k16 as a ko threatHotaruMiki [7d]: that way cutting m16 becomes good];B[id]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: i still thinklamalama: like nowHotaruMiki [7d]: that the ko should be afterHotaruMiki [7d]: k16masasehh: close itHotaruMiki [7d]: and eku agrees =)];W[le]WL[20]OW[1]C[xevad [-]: white..];B[gd]BL[20]OB[3]C[osadeiny [4d]: ok, but why not start ko first and get one more threat?];W[jh]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: because];B[gf]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: why waste the point =)lamalama: ???HotaruMiki [7d]: when black has enough threats];W[ed]WL[20]OW[1]C[lamalama: i don`t get this];B[kb]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: white didnt wanna koHotaruMiki [7d]: because he dont have enough threats];W[mq]WL[20]OW[1]C[skatergaga [3d]: what is w doing?lamalama: so why didn`t he connect that directly?];B[jf]BL[20]OB[3];W[kf]WL[20]OW[1]C[xevad [-]: because of the cuthsng: eye?HotaruMiki [7d]: =)];B[fo]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: black is not alive];W[ep]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: *whiteHotaruMiki [7d]: sory =))Ootakamoku [1d]: can n13 stone be pulled out?HotaruMiki [7d]: but not dead either];B[hm]BL[20]OB[3]C[ikuy [3d]: n17 big];W[hj]WL[20]OW[1];B[dk]BL[20]OB[3];W[kj]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: no ootakamokuOotakamoku [1d]: thx];B[lj]BL[20]OB[3];W[kk]WL[20]OW[1];B[lk]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: black wins..];W[cb]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: black can do q10 ];B[bb]BL[20]OB[3];W[eb]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: or n17HotaruMiki [7d]: both are big =)skatergaga [3d]: w play like a chicken];B[gb]BL[20]OB[3];W[hh]WL[20]OW[1]C[slowcooker [1d]: u can try vs w skaterslowcooker [1d]: :)];B[hf]BL[20]OB[3];W[fb]WL[20]OW[1]C[xevad [-]: white has been playing like this since his first few losses on kgs after the WAGC];B[ca]BL[20]OB[3]C[slowcooker [1d]: to see who is a bigger kfc];W[db]WL[20]OW[1];B[ik]BL[20]OB[3]C[semakute [4k]: i like kfc];W[ij]WL[20]OW[1];B[ki]BL[20]OB[3];W[ji]WL[20]OW[1];B[qj]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: yeah i heard he dropped ranks];W[rj]WL[20]OW[1]C[Ojisama [4k?]: he'll get over itOjisama [4k?]: he's still young];B[qh]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: I wonder how his games in Hong Kong areHotaruMiki [7d]: =) easier said then doneRakuten [2k]: he changes style a lot xevad [-]: maybe he should play against Chenns to cheer himself upOotakamoku [1d]: if w had gotten the chance to play in r11 area before b r10, what would have been the local move?];W[rh]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: representing a country is a huge burden];B[pi]BL[20]OB[3];W[ri]WL[20]OW[1];B[qg]BL[20]OB[3];W[rg]WL[20]OW[1]C[Rakuten [2k]: like one day he just went crazy Moyo for a while ];B[qk]BL[20]OB[3]C[talife [17k]: just give the kid some time to mature a bit and manage his self control];W[rk]WL[20]OW[1]C[Hiro90 [?]: ,...];B[mo]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: so a pretty box of territoryDenmla11 [2k]: I think its fine to experiment with stylesHotaruMiki [7d]: im sure kghin will be doin better real soonOotakamoku [1d]: kghin keeps changing his play style in huge ways, if he seems risk averse, it could be its his "latest" style, that will pass in a few weeks.Naturalee [5k]: was s9 the biggest move ??];W[ql]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: g6 is biggrumpyjoe [-]: he needs to practice more as whiteDenmla11 [2k]: that way u can adopt better to whatever yuor opp style is:)];B[pj]BL[20]OB[3];W[rl]WL[20]OW[1];B[pl]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: wonder what advice his pro teacher gave himkusbeyinli [11k]: q7];W[kc]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: kghins teacher is a pro?];B[gn]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: benshou is not pro =)Ootakamoku [1d]: I think Ive heard his teacher is pro, yes];W[eo]WL[20]OW[1];B[go]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: hmm last i remember his teacher was benshou toop [1d]: what did w play for, all the w shapes look badOotakamoku [1d]: oh, oklamalama: when you play a styl you then understand why the moves are played, then you can play against that style even better because you`re inside the opponents brain already];W[kp]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: ah he has 2 teacherskusbeyinli [11k]: g8];B[bk]BL[20]OB[3];W[lb]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: From 5 March 2011 onwards, my current Go masters include 楊晉華(6p) and Benshou(賀曉铎).Rothmans [3d]: 6p teacher also..HotaruMiki [7d]: yes =)];B[bl]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: its written in his info =omooooo [-]: what does it mean: 楊晉華?];W[bm]WL[20]OW[1];B[ap]BL[20]OB[3];W[bo]WL[20]OW[1];B[rb]BL[20]OB[3]C[Denmla11 [2k]: kid will become p one day...Noahid [2d]: nameHotaruMiki [7d]: i cant read japanese =/];W[sb]WL[20]OW[1]C[mooooo [-]: or whats the english nameHotaruMiki [7d]: but its a name];B[qb]BL[20]OB[3]C[Ojisama [4k?]: it's chinese =)masasehh: =PHotaruMiki [7d]: oh right sorry];W[gk]WL[20]OW[1]C[bobstep [7k]: Yang JinhuaRakuten [2k]: Huang longshimooooo [-]: lolHotaruMiki [7d]: but good reason why i cant read that either =pxevad [-]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?YangJinhua];B[fj]BL[20]OB[3];W[hk]WL[20]OW[1]C[grumpyjoe [-]: what is the pro association in hong kong?kusbeyinli [11k]: g8Ojisama [4k?]: the chinese association];B[jm]BL[20]OB[3]C[lamalama: "hong kong pro association"mooooo [-]: ok thanks yevad];W[kl]WL[20]OW[1];B[jo]BL[20]OB[3]C[mooooo [-]: x*];W[ko]WL[20]OW[1];B[kn]BL[20]OB[3];W[lo]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: you mean go associationexocett [1k]: black won ... a lotHotaruMiki [7d]: not pro association =p];B[or]BL[20]OB[3];W[qr]WL[20]OW[1];B[ms]BL[20]OB[3]C[Rothmans [3d]: o18 ];W[ls]WL[20]OW[1];B[pp]BL[20]OB[3];W[lr]WL[20]OW[1]C[lamalama: just kiddingmasasehh: lol];B[nb]BL[20]OB[3];W[jb]WL[20]OW[1]C[yongle [2d]: why doesn't white resign?];B[ib]BL[20]OB[3]C[oracle [2k]: agreexevad [-]: cause he works on yose alsoHotaruMiki [7d]: maybe he cant bring himself to do thatHotaruMiki [7d]: =/];W[ka]WL[20]OW[1];B[jl]BL[20]OB[3]C[Lundabo [3d]: not his style :-)Rakuten [2k]: he's having fun lol oracle [2k]: it is just wasting timeHotaruMiki [7d]: maybe =/];W[gl]WL[20]OW[1]C[xevad [-]: kghin has been improving at that also];B[ll]BL[20]OB[3];W[gm]WL[20]OW[1];B[in]BL[20]OB[3];W[jj]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: but its hard sometimes to resign to something you think you could have done better in];B[jq]BL[20]OB[3];W[jr]WL[20]OW[1];B[fs]BL[20]OB[3];W[cd]WL[20]OW[1];B[bc]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: maybe he will show this game to his teacher];W[ao]WL[20]OW[1];B[aq]BL[20]OB[3];W[qm]WL[20]OW[1];B[pm]BL[20]OB[3];W[na]WL[20]OW[1]C[cherisse [?]: anything special about this match?];B[oa]BL[20]OB[3]C[Lundabo [3d]: that's in almost every game];W[ma]WL[20]OW[1]C[osadeiny [4d]: e1zaphodb [3d]: wonder if teacher would comment up to here];B[qd]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: maybe he has fighting spirit];W[al]WL[20]OW[1];B[ak]BL[20]OB[3];W[am]WL[20]OW[1]C[xevad [-]: the spirit to fight even though winning is not possible];B[es]BL[20]OB[3];W[ck]WL[20]OW[1]C[oracle [2k]: Is W a real 8d?];B[bj]BL[20]OB[3];W[da]WL[20]OW[1];B[ba]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: an honourable defeat];W[ga]WL[20]OW[1]C[Warfreak2 [4d]: are you a real oracle?];B[ha]BL[20]OB[3]C[zaphodb [3d]: these are different things aren't they?Ojisama [4k?]: yes Oracle he is];W[fa]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: of course he is oracleoracle [2k]: no];B[gs]BL[20]OB[3]C[kentia [2k]: teacher would give doublefacepalmNoahid [2d]: yes, but B not real 8d)];W[hs]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: black is 9d];B[fl]BL[20]OB[3];W[sl]WL[20]OW[1];B[de]BL[20]OB[3];W[ef]WL[20]OW[1]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: 8d is about right for kghin in his current state =)];B[ia]BL[20]OB[3]C[oracle [2k]: anyway having funOnlyTenuki [5k]: b is even proxevad [-]: white is not real 8d in the sense that he is not HK 8d];W[sm]WL[20]OW[1];B[rn]BL[20]OB[3];W[pg]WL[20]OW[1];B[ph]BL[20]OB[3];W[pf]WL[20]OW[1];B[sp]BL[20]OB[3];W[sq]WL[20]OW[1];B[ja]BL[20]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: im sure were talking about kgs ranks ];W[kb]WL[20]OW[1];B[ra]BL[20]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: oh then his rank is 8d];W[re]WL[20]OW[1]C[grumpyjoe [-]: if he is a pro, he is a kansai kiin proHotaruMiki [7d]: h8];B[hl]BL[20]OB[3];W[jk]WL[20]OW[1];B[il]BL[20]OB[3];W[hq]WL[20]OW[1]C[oracle [2k]: if I were 8 d I would resignxevad [-]: if he is solid 8d then he is solid 8dmooooo [-]: w wont be a pro];B[ns]BL[20]OB[3];W[so]WL[20]OW[1];B[jd]BL[20]OB[3];W[sp]WL[20]OW[1]C[senno [-]: why e1 what did it do?xevad [-]: if this was not the case then he would be 7d];B[sa]BL[20]OB[3];W[sc]WL[20]OW[1];B[]BL[20]OB[3];W[]WL[20]OW[1]TW[ea][la][ec][sd][se][rf][sf][sg][gh][sh][ii][si][sj][sk][an][cn][do][lp][lq][ir][kr][sr][is][js][ks][rs]TB[aa][pa][qa][ab][hb][ob][pb][ac][hc][ic][oc][pc][ad][ae][be][ge][he][af][bf][ag][bg][mg][ng][ah][bh][ch][dh][mh][nh][oh][ai][bi][mi][ni][oi][aj][dj][ej][mj][nj][oj][ek][mk][nk][ok][pk][ml][nl][ol][im][mm][nm][om][mn][nn][on][po][qo][op][ar][cr][as][bs][cs][ds]C[Tasky [1d]: teacher will tell him "why didn't you resign earlier?"LinkWind [1k]: ESIGNeku [8d]: thxmooooo [-]: dont think sokghin [8d]: thanksnay4ok [2k]: wowmooooo [-]: would be bad teachersNoahid [2d]: q15 1 pointrats [2d?]: close gamenay4ok [2k]: should've fight the ko?bourdie [3d?]: Q15 is not a pointxevad [-]: Japanese rule setoracle [2k]: Is B a pro?nay4ok [2k]: noLinkWind [1k]: inseinay4ok [2k]: lost to a bot on 4xevad [-]: if it was Zen19dsenno [-]: why e1??xevad [-]: then that is because the bot is strongkoticgood [4k]: he magically wouldnt lose to the 5d bot if he had the strength-irrelevant title of pronay4ok [2k]: i saw pro play 8d kds on 2xevad [-]: I saw pro players lose in even games against aguilar..xevad [-]: I don't see the correlation])