(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]SO[gokifu.com]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[0]OT[3x20 byo-yomi]PW[Hutoshi4]PB[zchen]WR[8단]BR[8단]DT[2011-06-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Hutoshi4 [8d]: hizchen [8d]: hi]RE[W+Resign];B[pd]BL[20]OB[3];W[dd]WL[20]OW[3];B[qp]BL[20]OB[3];W[dp]WL[20]OW[3];B[fq]BL[20]OB[3];W[cn]WL[20]OW[3];B[nq]BL[20]OB[3];W[qf]WL[20]OW[3];B[qi]BL[20]OB[3];W[md]WL[20]OW[3];B[pf]BL[20]OB[3];W[qc]WL[20]OW[3];B[qe]BL[20]OB[3];W[pc]WL[20]OW[3];B[qg]BL[20]OB[3];W[od]WL[20]OW[3];B[fc]BL[20]OB[3];W[df]WL[20]OW[3];B[db]BL[20]OB[3];W[cc]WL[20]OW[3];B[ic]BL[20]OB[3];W[hq]WL[20]OW[3];B[mb]BL[20]OB[3];W[oe]WL[20]OW[3];B[dr]BL[20]OB[3];W[cq]WL[20]OW[3];B[fo]BL[20]OB[3];W[kq]WL[20]OW[3];B[ho]BL[20]OB[3];W[ko]WL[20]OW[3];B[ir]BL[20]OB[3];W[iq]WL[20]OW[3];B[hr]BL[20]OB[3];W[gq]WL[20]OW[3];B[gr]BL[20]OB[3];W[eq]WL[20]OW[3]C[Kantid [3k]: zchen is wasted as usual];B[fp]BL[20]OB[3];W[er]WL[20]OW[3];B[fr]BL[20]OB[3];W[io]WL[20]OW[3]C[RutgersGo [4k]: he doesn't seem like the type];B[hm]BL[20]OB[3]C[DanielTom [-]: c3 mistake];W[in]WL[20]OW[3]C[DanielTom [-]: should be f4 ];B[dm]BL[20]OB[3];W[cm]WL[20]OW[3];B[ch]BL[20]OB[3]C[ALLMINE [1k]: I was taught that c3 is good];W[dl]WL[20]OW[3];B[bf]BL[20]OB[3]C[ALLMINE [1k]: because if b jumps out then d2 is misplaced];W[hn]WL[20]OW[3];B[fm]BL[20]OB[3]C[Mulege [2k]: Ever consider the fact that everything you were taught and think you know are wrong?];W[gm]WL[20]OW[3];B[gl]BL[20]OB[3];W[gn]WL[20]OW[3];B[el]BL[20]OB[3]C[ALLMINE [1k]: frequently];W[dn]WL[20]OW[3]C[DanielTom [-]: An 8p wrote about itDanielTom [-]: that's how I know c3 is not the best];B[dk]BL[20]OB[3]C[play4 [4d]: nothing wrong with c3 in this situation];W[fn]WL[20]OW[3];B[cl]BL[20]OB[3];W[en]WL[20]OW[3]C[ALLMINE [1k]: pros sometimes have different ideas about what is good];B[lr]BL[20]OB[3]C[DanielTom [-]: to punish W, Black could play j4 instead of j2 ];W[kr]WL[20]OW[3];B[ce]BL[20]OB[3];W[fd]WL[20]OW[3]C[ALLMINE [1k]: they have higher standardsBONNE915 [2d]: why?SandSack [1d?]: ... its all about the situation DanielTom];B[ec]BL[20]OB[3];W[ed]WL[20]OW[3];B[he]BL[20]OB[3]C[play4 [4d]: i was being polite, what r u guys talking about :)];W[dh]WL[20]OW[3];B[cg]BL[20]OB[3];W[gg]WL[20]OW[3];B[nc]BL[20]OB[3]C[cloudo [2k]: w huge cornerDanielTom [-]: I am talking about this particular situation, Sandmafutrct [-]: i think c3 and f4 just depend on the direction w wants...];W[oc]WL[20]OW[3]C[mafutrct [-]: on the right board, either move seems finechimbba [1k?]: doesn't look like a bad result for w];B[gf]BL[20]OB[3]C[Mulege [2k]: If white hadn't played c3 couldn't black live in the corner?];W[ff]WL[20]OW[3]C[mafutrct [-]: yes, sure];B[fg]BL[20]OB[3]C[Shadowman [1d]: yes indeed, Mulege];W[gd]WL[20]OW[3]C[DanielTom [-]: and W would get thickness in sentemafutrct [-]: one moves gibes a wall, the other a potential target to attack + pointsShadowman [1d]: it's a matter of attacking black or sealing him in];B[hc]BL[20]OB[3]C[DanielTom [-]: not in this case];W[hf]WL[20]OW[3];B[ge]BL[20]OB[3]C[DanielTom [-]: actually, W should be the one being attacked];W[hd]WL[20]OW[3];B[gh]BL[20]OB[3];W[hg]WL[20]OW[3];B[ie]BL[20]OB[3];W[id]WL[20]OW[3];B[je]BL[20]OB[3]C[cloudo [2k]: he is under attack];W[jd]WL[20]OW[3]C[DanielTom [-]: after l5 , the sequence is: j4 j3 k4 and B is betterplay4 [4d]: another misread by bbalsa [3d]: feels like w win];B[ke]BL[20]OB[3];W[jc]WL[20]OW[3];B[jb]BL[20]OB[3];W[gc]WL[20]OW[3];B[gb]BL[20]OB[3];W[fb]WL[20]OW[3];B[hb]BL[20]OB[3];W[eb]WL[20]OW[3];B[lc]BL[20]OB[3]C[nerai [4d]: j4, k3?];W[fh]WL[20]OW[3];B[eg]BL[20]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: hm, i don't know what the 8p said but i'd be hestitant to apply it without carefully considering the board :) though i also feel f4 would be good instead];W[dg]WL[20]OW[3];B[ef]BL[20]OB[3];W[ee]WL[20]OW[3];B[fe]BL[20]OB[3];W[eh]WL[20]OW[3];B[ff]BL[20]OB[3]C[smiiiiiii: C11 guise];W[ci]WL[20]OW[3];B[bi]BL[20]OB[3];W[cj]WL[20]OW[3]C[DanielTom [-]: what he said applied to this position];B[bj]BL[20]OB[3]C[play4 [4d]: h11];W[hi]WL[20]OW[3];B[de]BL[20]OB[3]C[DanielTom [-]: sometimes c3 can be better, but not hereSandSack [1d?]: applied to the whore board?nerai [4d]: i b is going to jump out anywayplay4 [4d]: c3... was the right move to meHanatarash [4k]: f19 sente nownerai [4d]: whats the benefit for him to exchange d2 for c3 ?];W[hh]WL[20]OW[1]C[drau [5k]: b+t];B[cb]BL[20]OB[3]C[cloudo [2k]: u hope so];W[dc]WL[20]OW[1];B[bc]BL[20]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: b is a little stronger on the outside after d2];W[bd]WL[20]OW[1]C[Hanatarash [4k]: !!!];B[ac]BL[20]OB[3]C[drau [5k]: I hope not];W[ld]WL[20]OW[1]C[mafutrct [-]: though he lost the corner invasion which seems worse in most cases. i guess];B[kd]BL[20]OB[3];W[kc]WL[20]OW[1];B[kb]BL[20]OB[3]C[nerai [4d]: yes, but he has d2 all the timeHanatarash [4k]: w faieldawesome333 [6k]: is w dead?];W[cd]WL[20]OW[1]C[mafutrct [-]: true];B[ba]BL[20]OB[3];W[lf]WL[20]OW[1];B[jg]BL[20]OB[3]C[Kantid [3k]: lets count eyesHanatarash [4k]: b all in at leastduxgo [2d]: l12?awesome333 [6k]: be has to get safe];W[jf]WL[20]OW[1]C[DanielTom [-]: nice];B[kf]BL[20]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: i think b dies first];W[kg]WL[20]OW[1]C[mafutrct [-]: seems like a 3 lib shape];B[if]BL[20]OB[3]C[duxgo [2d]: yeah, def];W[kh]WL[20]OW[1]C[mafutrct [-]: so must m15..];B[jh]BL[20]OB[3];W[ji]WL[20]OW[1];B[ii]BL[20]OB[3];W[le]WL[20]OW[1]C[play4 [4d]: did w see this in h12? :)mafutrct [-]: ugh.. i read b deadHotaruMiki [7d]: WOO go zchen =)])