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last 10 moves were played instantaneously this sidethekro [?]: but well donekschef [3k?]: thxkschef [3k?]: youre 30 points behind anywaycwelsh [2k]: steve, adsl has that kind of lag?cwelsh [2k]: scarythekro [?]: not quite sure why i got the lag all of a sudden...kschef [3k?]: very oddcwelsh [2k]: yeah, white 40+ ahead i thinkkschef [3k?]: always seems to happen in byo yomithekro [?]: well, i hada to hack a conenction cause my normal connection wouldn't workcwelsh [2k]: :)thekro [?]: still don't know whythekro [?]: yeah - i didn't have time to countthekro [?]: but i thought i was pretty far behindthekro [?]: was hoping i might get a liberty race somewherethekro [?]: but b15 kind of messed that upkschef [3k?]: yes, but i don't see wherekschef [3k?]: think i'm safe everywherethekro [?]: probably, yeahthekro [?]: but i can't read that far ...kschef [3k?]: you may be able to force me to take k16 off the boardthekro [?]: i knew there was a reason i couldn't play n11 :(thekro [?]: i was thinking of trying to connect to d13 while forcing youthekro [?]: that's a lot of poointskschef [3k?]: surely impossiblethekro [?]: but after some of the later moves most of my aji evaporated - would probably have counted and resigned after the next move anyway (when i got my 8 minutes)thekro [?]: unless i was paranoid about my lag carrying on as it waskschef [3k?]: anyway, thanks for the gamethekro [?]: my major question is was e4 an overplay, or did i just handle it badlythekro [?]: yeah - thankskschef [3k?]: e4 looked good at first glance, but i couldn't see a good response to d5kschef [3k?]: so porbably overplaythekro [?]: okthekro [?]: so it's not joseki - or did i deviate from joseki before that already?thekro [?]: test lagthekro [?]: hmm - lag down to 2-3 seconds it seemskschef [3k?]: well your initial approach is not usualkschef [3k?]: i don't know any sequences after thatthekro [?]: the long knight approach to 4-4?kschef [3k?]: yepthekro [?]: only used for 3-4 normally?thekro [?]: i wish i could remember this kind of shitekschef [3k?]: there's one context in which i've seen itthekro [?]: or at least develop a feeling for itkschef [3k?]: but not with a pincer responsethekro [?]: perhaps feeling > remember..thekro [?]: yeah - i tried to play wider to make pincer less attractivekschef [3k?]: the general idea of distant approach to discourage pincer may be ok - i dont knowthekro [?]: would e4 at e3 be joseki if the approach were to the 3-4 point? or should i crosscut then?kschef [3k?]: well white wouldn't hane under if it was a 3-4 pointthekro [?]: ah yesthekro [?]: i thought the hane under looked unusualthekro [?]: but it makes more sense nowthekro [?]: chris - you gonna be at the agm?thekro [?]: thanks konradthekro [?]: i'd like to discuss more later, if we canthekro [?]: ah gone])(;W[kd]WL[377.939];B[ke]BL[660.496]C[thekro [?]: misclickthekro [?]: agfain]))(;W[fd]WL[2595.873];B[gd]BL[2572.512]C[thekro [?]: misclick]))