(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]SO[gokifu.com]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[0]OT[3x10 byo-yomi]PW[ringo]PB[Broken]WR[八段]BR[七段]DT[2011-06-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[白胜黑];B[pc]BL[10]OB[3]C[ringo [8d]: hi];W[qp]WL[10]OW[3]C[Broken [7d]: hi];B[dq]BL[10]OB[3];W[dd]WL[10]OW[3];B[oq]BL[10]OB[3];W[co]WL[10]OW[3];B[ck]BL[10]OB[3]C[meijin [2d?]: what a terrible opening move];W[hq]WL[10]OW[3];B[fq]BL[10]OB[3];W[kq]WL[10]OW[3];B[on]BL[10]OB[3];W[qn]WL[10]OW[3]C[mafutrct [-]: ?];B[mq]BL[10]OB[3];W[cq]WL[10]OW[3]C[Trivia [2k]: wht a weak troll];B[cr]BL[10]OB[3];W[br]WL[10]OW[3]C[meijin [2d?]: it was on the wrong side];B[cp]BL[10]OB[3];W[bq]WL[10]OW[3];B[bp]BL[10]OB[3];W[dp]WL[10]OW[3];B[bo]BL[10]OB[3];W[eq]WL[10]OW[3];B[dr]BL[10]OB[3];W[bn]WL[10]OW[3];B[do]BL[10]OB[3];W[ep]WL[10]OW[3]C[mafutrct [-]: i think its called shin fusekipalestin: is it joseki? ];B[er]BL[10]OB[3];W[fp]WL[10]OW[2];B[cn]BL[10]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: white seems to be in trouble];W[fr]WL[10]OW[2];B[bs]BL[10]OB[3];W[es]WL[10]OW[2];B[aq]BL[10]OB[3]C[Trivia [2k]: oh my];W[qe]WL[10]OW[2];B[qi]BL[10]OB[3];W[mc]WL[10]OW[2];B[od]BL[10]OB[3];W[rc]WL[10]OW[2];B[ql]BL[10]OB[3];W[qg]WL[10]OW[2];B[qr]BL[10]OB[3];W[ne]WL[10]OW[2];B[pf]BL[10]OB[3];W[qf]WL[10]OW[2];B[nf]BL[10]OB[3];W[mf]WL[10]OW[2];B[ng]BL[10]OB[3]C[Trivia [2k]: it's Spartaaaaa fuseki];W[me]WL[10]OW[2];B[mg]BL[10]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: yeah oO];W[lg]WL[10]OW[2];B[lh]BL[10]OB[3];W[of]WL[10]OW[2];B[kg]BL[10]OB[3];W[lf]WL[10]OW[2];B[rb]BL[10]OB[3];W[qc]WL[10]OW[2]C[mafutrct [-]: ...totally];B[qb]BL[10]OB[3];W[ob]WL[10]OW[2];B[pb]BL[10]OB[3];W[oc]WL[10]OW[2];B[pg]BL[10]OB[3];W[og]WL[10]OW[2];B[pe]BL[10]OB[3];W[ph]WL[10]OW[2]C[mafutrct [-]: tbh it looks like they dont read];B[oh]BL[10]OB[3];W[oe]WL[10]OW[2];B[pd]BL[10]OB[3];W[qh]WL[10]OW[2];B[nh]BL[10]OB[3];W[pi]WL[10]OW[2]C[mafutrct [-]: at all];B[ri]BL[10]OB[3];W[ni]WL[10]OW[2];B[kh]BL[10]OB[3]C[Trivia [2k]: 7d and higher dont have to read];W[oi]WL[10]OW[2];B[mh]BL[10]OB[3];W[pm]WL[10]OW[2];B[sc]BL[10]OB[3];W[rd]WL[10]OW[2];B[ok]BL[10]OB[3];W[om]WL[10]OW[2]C[mafutrct [-]: it looks like they actively avoid it xD];B[mk]BL[10]OB[3];W[pk]WL[10]OW[2]C[WildW [1k?]: yeah, they can play blindfolded and beat you.];B[pj]BL[10]OB[3]C[WildW [1k?]: no, of course they still read, it's just faster.];W[pl]WL[10]OW[2];B[oj]BL[10]OB[3];W[qk]WL[10]OW[2];B[qj]BL[10]OB[3];W[rh]WL[10]OW[2]C[Trivia [2k]: did B corner die a while ago?mafutrct [-]: in that case i really dont understand a lot of moves..];B[sd]BL[10]OB[3];W[se]WL[10]OW[2]C[meijin [2d?]: yup];B[sb]BL[10]OB[3];W[sh]WL[10]OW[2];B[nd]BL[10]OB[3];W[md]WL[10]OW[2];B[oa]BL[10]OB[3];W[nb]WL[10]OW[2];B[re]BL[10]OB[3]C[Trivia [2k]: oh its' semeai nowShemagh [5k?]: seki?mafutrct [-]: i would not be surprised if something died in gote];W[rf]WL[10]OW[2];B[qd]BL[10]OB[3];W[re]WL[10]OW[2];B[sg]BL[10]OB[3];W[nc]WL[10]OW[2];B[si]BL[10]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: w r19 for an easy semeai];W[pa]WL[10]OW[2];B[qa]BL[10]OB[3];W[ra]WL[10]OW[2]C[Trivia [2k]: nah let's have a ko];B[mi]BL[10]OB[3]C[daniug [2d]: oh,there was no need for ko];W[na]WL[10]OW[2];B[rk]BL[10]OB[3];W[rl]WL[10]OW[2];B[ro]BL[10]OB[3]C[dkagan [3k]: not a really dangerous ko though right?];W[qo]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: woahGeorgeW [-]: Yea, B made mistake with R19];B[nj]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: nasty looking ko];W[pa]WL[10]OW[2];B[rm]BL[10]OB[3];W[sa]WL[10]OW[2];B[sl]BL[10]OB[3];W[mm]WL[10]OW[2];B[nn]BL[10]OB[3];W[nm]WL[10]OW[2];B[ip]BL[10]OB[3];W[iq]WL[10]OW[2];B[kp]BL[10]OB[3];W[rr]WL[10]OW[2]C[Trivia [2k]: who is even aheadHotaruMiki [7d]: black is aiming to kill];B[qq]BL[10]OB[3];W[km]WL[10]OW[2];B[ln]BL[10]OB[3];W[lm]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: well black is ahead if he kills];B[jq]BL[10]OB[3];W[jr]WL[10]OW[2];B[jp]BL[10]OB[3];W[lq]WL[10]OW[2]C[Trivia [2k]: is this killable?HotaruMiki [7d]: if not then itd probably be pretty closeShemagh [5k?]: if kills l7 game over];B[lp]BL[10]OB[3];W[mr]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: its killable];B[rp]BL[10]OB[3];W[im]WL[10]OW[2];B[hp]BL[10]OB[3];W[gp]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: black has the upperhandin this fight though];B[jl]BL[10]OB[3];W[jm]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: because even if white livs black can still lead the game];B[hn]BL[10]OB[3];W[hm]WL[10]OW[2];B[gn]BL[10]OB[3];W[hk]WL[10]OW[2];B[hi]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: and if white dies then black just takes the gamesasoso [2d]: black is thick everywhere];W[fm]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: yepKgsZ [3k]: black is really 7d ?sasoso [2d]: and white is risking his life];B[eo]BL[10]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: freedomHotaruMiki [7d]: black is 7d yes];W[fj]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: im guessing broken is fredda?];B[fi]BL[10]OB[3];W[ej]WL[10]OW[2];B[ei]BL[10]OB[3]C[KgsZ [3k]: black lost ];W[dj]WL[10]OW[2];B[ch]BL[10]OB[3];W[dl]WL[10]OW[2];B[bj]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: not over yetkatil [1k]: broken is justin bieberSheeple [1k]: and what is your old nick, hotaru? :)];W[nq]WL[10]OW[2];B[mp]BL[10]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: white lives];W[nr]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: hotarumiki is my first nickHampus3 [2k]: ya think?];B[np]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: i use to usethis nick too but i took a break from kgs];W[rq]WL[10]OW[2];B[rs]BL[10]OB[3];W[pq]WL[10]OW[2];B[pr]BL[10]OB[3];W[pp]WL[10]OW[2];B[or]BL[10]OB[3]C[xevad [-]: Miki how come your rank is turned on todayblitzkrieg [2d]: heh];W[jk]WL[10]OW[2];B[kl]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: because i wanted to play some go =)];W[il]WL[10]OW[2];B[ij]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [7d]: i saw ringo with a game up so i played him 2 timesgryn [1k]: his doctor told him he should get it up sometimes.];W[lk]WL[10]OW[2]C[GeorgeW [-]: lolHotaruMiki [7d]: but i gues i can turn it off nowmafutrct [-]: huhKgsZ [3k]: ............];B[fc]BL[10]OB[3];W[ec]WL[10]OW[2];B[lj]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: =) much bettermeijin [2d?]: lucky white];W[kj]WL[10]OW[2]C[mafutrct [-]: j10 was intentional?];B[fd]BL[10]OB[3];W[ce]WL[10]OW[2];B[ic]BL[10]OB[3];W[fb]WL[10]OW[2];B[gb]BL[10]OB[3];W[eb]WL[10]OW[2];B[bf]BL[10]OB[3];W[be]WL[10]OW[2]C[Shemagh [5k?]: seems like mistake];B[je]BL[10]OB[3];W[ef]WL[10]OW[2];B[ff]BL[10]OB[3];W[fg]WL[10]OW[2];B[ee]BL[10]OB[3];W[df]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: its stilla close game];B[eg]BL[10]OB[3]C[Trivia [2k]: fredda is not really 7d?];W[hb]WL[10]OW[2];B[hc]BL[10]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: afaik he is decently strong];W[gf]WL[10]OW[2];B[fe]BL[10]OB[3];W[ji]WL[10]OW[2]C[Trivia [2k]: cmon trun your rank back on Hotaru makes what you say more solidHotaruMiki [-]: fredda is 7d];B[gj]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: why wouldnt he be?mafutrct [-]: egf 5d so kgs 7d is entirely possible];W[gk]WL[10]OW[2];B[ih]BL[10]OB[3];W[ga]WL[10]OW[2];B[gc]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: i dont like using my rank thoughHotaruMiki [-]: it looks all tackyblurb: actually hes 8 isnt he?];W[cm]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: i feel stronger when i use - xevad [-]: if Broken isn't 7d then he is extremely stronggryn [1k]: why play blitz];B[bm]BL[10]OB[3]C[sator [1d]: fredda is egf 6d now];W[bl]WL[10]OW[2];B[an]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: fredda is a strong 7dHotaruMiki [-]: for sure];W[hj]WL[10]OW[2];B[ii]BL[10]OB[3]C[KgsZ [3k]: not still close now ?];W[gi]WL[10]OW[2];B[gh]BL[10]OB[3]C[mafutrct [-]: oh, he registered to kidocup tomorrow as 5d];W[eh]WL[10]OW[2];B[dg]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: really he did?];W[fh]WL[10]OW[2];B[di]BL[10]OB[3];W[gg]WL[10]OW[2];B[gj]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: no kgsZlOvEkEi [16k?]: 12d ma- -];W[dh]WL[10]OW[2]C[mafutrct [-]: i looked at the preregistration page just a minute agosator [1d]: he played the swedish championship final as 6d, that was recently, if he regged to kido a couple of weeks ago he might've been 5d :)HotaruMiki [-]: white has this game now];B[cg]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: hopefully he will do well =)];W[gi]WL[10]OW[2]C[Hampus3 [2k]: y];B[ir]BL[10]OB[3]C[sator [1d]: or he made a mistake calculating i at the swedish tournament, but our ranking comittee was there, so probably not];W[kr]WL[10]OW[2];B[gj]BL[10]OB[3]C[HotaruMiki [-]: idk if broken is fredda];W[qs]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: just looking in the name spot that says fred so its kind of a guess so sorry if i might be wrong];B[op]BL[10]OB[2];W[gi]WL[10]OW[2];B[hr]BL[10]OB[2];W[gq]WL[10]OW[2];B[gj]BL[10]OB[2];W[rn]WL[10]OW[2];B[sq]BL[10]OB[2]C[Shantideva [?]: he played vs Fredrik before so i guess not :PTrivia [2k]: maybe its freddy krueger];W[gi]WL[10]OW[2];B[gr]BL[10]OB[2]C[mafutrct [-]: i think he's in the top group, so he's (from my pov) allowed to do well since i won't have to play him :)];W[gs]WL[10]OW[2];B[gj]BL[10]OB[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: he did??];W[so]WL[10]OW[2];B[sr]BL[10]OB[2];W[gi]WL[10]OW[2];B[fo]BL[10]OB[2]C[Shantideva [?]: 18 games agoHotaruMiki [-]: oh he did so guess broken is not fredda];W[is]WL[10]OW[2];B[gj]BL[10]OB[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: wonder who he is =)];W[ds]WL[10]OW[2];B[ar]BL[10]OB[2];W[gi]WL[10]OW[2];B[go]BL[10]OB[2];W[hs]WL[10]OW[2];B[gj]BL[10]OB[2];W[cj]WL[10]OW[2];B[ci]BL[10]OB[2];W[gi]WL[10]OW[2];B[hh]BL[10]OB[2];W[bk]WL[10]OW[2];B[bh]BL[10]OB[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: white is happy with this result];W[af]WL[10]OW[2];B[ag]BL[10]OB[2];W[ae]WL[10]OW[2]C[Werfeus [5d]: Fredda played as 5d just week ago];B[aj]BL[10]OB[2]C[blurb: i guess u can play yourself with a browser and a cgoban acc:9Trivia [2k]: W win even without ko];W[cf]WL[10]OW[2];B[al]BL[10]OB[2];W[bg]WL[10]OW[2];B[ah]BL[10]OB[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: no blurbBroken [7d]: misHotaruMiki [-]: you cant play yourself];W[jd]WL[10]OW[2];B[kd]BL[10]OB[2];W[jc]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: you can but you would get derankedblurb: with router?];B[kc]BL[10]OB[2];W[jb]WL[10]OW[2];B[kb]BL[10]OB[2];W[ib]WL[10]OW[2];B[kf]BL[10]OB[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: admins would derank you for playin yourself];W[id]WL[10]OW[2]C[xevad [-]: oopsHampus3 [2k]: kickass];B[he]BL[10]OB[2]C[blurb: lol];W[ie]WL[10]OW[2];B[if]BL[10]OB[2];W[hd]WL[10]OW[2];B[ge]BL[10]OB[2];W[cc]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: black is going on too long now];B[gm]BL[10]OB[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: i understand continuing earlier but now is a little much];W[gl]WL[10]OW[2]C[Trivia [2k]: you can relay your moves via internet to another guy in Europe or elsewhere and in that way you'd playing yourself and noone can find out];B[ki]BL[10]OB[2];W[jj]WL[10]OW[2];B[ml]BL[10]OB[2];W[ll]WL[10]OW[2];B[dm]BL[10]OB[2];W[cl]WL[10]OW[2];B[em]BL[10]OB[2];W[el]WL[10]OW[2]C[mafutrct [-]: that sounds totally useful];B[fn]BL[10]OB[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: that wouldwork as logn as you never logge dongryn [1k]: just connect with an onion router..];W[ak]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: as both accoutns on the same computer even once];B[hg]BL[10]OB[1];W[bi]WL[10]OW[2];B[hf]BL[10]OB[1];W[ai]WL[10]OW[2];B[fl]BL[10]OB[1]C[HotaruMiki [-]: if you were to log onto fredda in say u.s and broken in germany ];W[qm]WL[10]OW[2]C[gryn [1k]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?KGSUsersGuide%2FAnonymousAccess];B[rl]BL[10]OB[1]C[dualraum [-]: Of course you can play yourself and if you don't want anyone to know then just use a proxy.HotaruMiki [-]: and then the next day both accounts continue to log on from germany];W[mn]WL[10]OW[2];B[kn]BL[10]OB[1]C[HotaruMiki [-]: admins would get suspicious];W[fk]WL[10]OW[2];B[mo]BL[10]OB[1];W[am]WL[10]OW[2];B[ja]BL[10]OB[1];W[bn]WL[10]OW[2];B[ka]BL[10]OB[1]C[blurb: with firefo i can easily change my ip no chanceTrivia [2k]: you should always log on frim us then];W[fa]WL[10]OW[2];B[bm]BL[10]OB[1]C[HotaruMiki [-]: besides its not a good idea to play yourself anyway];W[jn]WL[10]OW[2]C[HotaruMiki [-]: creates a false rankingblacklabel [1d]: how does that work])