(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]PW[tartrate]PB[mouton112]BR[九段]DT[2008-07-04]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zureiyaa [-]: :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO]RE[白胜10.50];B[qd]BL[595.752]C[Sponge7 [2d]: YAYslinky [5k]: woottakayanagi [4d]: YAYmiao [5d]: yeeeesslinky [5k]: !!!!mouton112 [9d]: hitartrate [?]: hiRakeliem [1k]: :PBloodHawk [-]: good gameslinky [5k]: GO TARTRATE!!!];W[dp]WL[592.293]C[miao [5d]: i asked himBDub [3k?]: wohoo!Sponge7 [2d]: nice speed zure :omiao [5d]: XD];B[pq]BL[590.859]C[Beard [7k]: thank you, miao!Magnusjen [7k]: woohoo :D];W[dc]WL[588.621]C[EvilCat [2k?]: hehe tartratemike2096 [6k]: wooooooot go tartrateZureiyaa [-]: miao, you're not the only one :PEvilCat [2k?]: no waymiao [5d]: np];B[ce]BL[587.603]C[miao [5d]: hehemike2096 [6k]: 55 obs alreadymike2096 [6k]: xDmeuns [6k]: 3-)ChemBoy613 [-]: i prefer d15 in this fusekimeuns [6k]: even ?miao [5d]: gooooooooooooooooooooZureiyaa [-]: it's on top of the active game listCimmerian [2d]: mouton will dieZureiyaa [-]: is this some kind of event?];W[od]WL[566.399]C[Zureiyaa [-]: or just normal tartrate game];B[mc]BL[582.419]C[ImNoSensei [-]: no, just two 9dmeuns [6k]: even is too hard versus tartrateImNoSensei [-]: so it's on toptehdrinks [7k]: all tartrate games are events : PChemBoy613 [-]: NORMAL tartrate gameJavaness [-]: I just evented it to give it some atmosphereBloodHawk [-]: special event ?!ImNoSensei [-]: well, one 9d in this case, which is enoughZureiyaa [-]: thank you, javanessImNoSensei [-]: oh you did ?BDub [3k?]: How long was tartrate away for?Cimmerian [2d]: it should be TP vs TartrateCimmerian [2d]: now that would be a matchChemBoy613 [-]: we have to be good otherwise we will get...];W[qc]WL[536.939]C[ChemBoy613 [-]: BANNED!!!mike2096 [6k]: chem lolBDub [3k?]: he was banned?Uizado [-]: exactly chem :PZureiyaa [-]: we couldn't afford thatChemBoy613 [-]: :)];B[rc]BL[563.583]C[flatchest [2k]: b winMagnusjen [7k]: aww but we are just happy to have our ledgende back :)miao [5d]: w won];W[pc]WL[527.419];B[qg]BL[562.465]C[ennuistic [1k]: i'm thinking 300+ observersmike2096 [6k]: i got banend last tartrate game >..>miao [5d]: he is the only and oneChuky [3d]: o18Rakeliem [1k]: is tartrate anonymous?Bheeshma [7k]: gentlerain has beaten tartrate once earlier as well?Zureiyaa [-]: nomiao [5d]: noCardCaptor [1k]: man... im blinded by the awesomenesschrono3450 [1d]: lolmiao [5d]: only pro did beforeslinky [5k]: yeah he beat tartrateslinky [5k]: noRakeliem [1k]: is he 9d?slinky [5k]: tartate only lost 2xchrono3450 [1d]: sendol beat himBheeshma [7k]: i remember this exhibition matchmeuns [6k]: K4 ?ZT1LB [1d]: is this the same as the first ome?ZT1LB [1d]: oneZureiyaa [-]: o18 looks goodchrono3450 [1d]: sendol/charm won and rain wonSatoshii [-]: sendol and gentlerain beat himennuistic [1k]: before the supposed comeback, he has never lost positionallyBheeshma [7k]: where gentlerain beat himmilkshake [2d]: he lost in a simul game before tooChuky [3d]: real tartrate would already have won!chrono3450 [1d]: ya, but that's simluiBDub [3k?]: Wasn't tartrate around back in the breakfast 1pro days?Mantona [1d]: fakejawnaw2000 [10k]: Is tartrate an American? I mean it's Independence Day and all. Holiday time.uncola [9k]: check his current game list for his game against gentlerainjawnaw2000 [10k]: Who is he?slinky [5k]: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhGay [4d]: ofcourse is fakeParadize [2k]: O18 not so bigslinky [5k]: calm downNamii [-]: is w tartrate?Cingo [2d]: greenpig is here!flatchest [2k]: noslinky [5k]: No its not a fake its the same accountZureiyaa [-]: Paradize, you're wrongCingo [2d]: My favoriteslinky [5k]: He is playing a good gameennuistic [1k]: still very strong regardlessHu [4k]: Please focus on the game.chrono3450 [1d]: the original tartrate spoke ins clear english];B[nb]BL[266.591]C[Paradize [2k]: look like an exchange for me];W[kd]WL[430.683]C[Zureiyaa [-]: see, Paradize];B[le]BL[261.329];W[kb]WL[429.789]C[flatchest [2k]: is w pro?Sponge7 [2d]: shut up humike2096 [6k]: anyone else think they are just gunna make a dmeo of this?slinky [5k]: Nobody knows];B[jc]BL[253.648]C[slinky [5k]: Hu is right focus on the gameHu [4k]: Please focus on the game, Sponge7.mike2096 [6k]: lol spongemiao [5d]: maybe his account got hackedmike2096 [6k]: hu hes 2 dmeuns [6k]: kibitz is for troll :pmike2096 [6k]: dont talk backChuky [3d]: l15?];W[nd]WL[404.288]C[slinky [5k]: Mike stopTasselhof [4k]: why l18 not k17? Khouphrane [5d]: tartrate , the legend....];B[jb]BL[245.656];W[ob]WL[402.328]C[Zureiyaa [-]: the very legendmeuns [6k]: yeahmike2096 [6k]: 322 obs al ready ;pCingo [2d]: why is he [?]??CardCaptor [1k]: tasslehof... that sounds really familiar];B[gd]BL[235.269]C[CardCaptor [1k]: where is that fromZureiyaa [-]: no games for long timeyumtum [3k]: what is tartrate legend for?slinky [5k]: He hasnt played a long time cingoZureiyaa [-]: or rather, no winsennuistic [1k]: from dragonlanceslinky [5k]: He has only lost twice yumtummeuns [6k]: mouton is strong :D];W[hc]WL[387.148]C[rakiurasky [5k?]: "To the boss, he said 'I have returned....and now i want what's mine' " -- "Joey" (Bob Dylan, 1975)CardCaptor [1k]: i doubt he stopped playingslinky [5k]: both on timeNyanjilla [-]: keep the comments on the game, pleaseCardCaptor [1k]: just on kgsflatchest [2k]: w already losingyumtum [3k]: who has tartrate beat?wilibald [6k?]: the story was, he was disappointed strong players weren't commenting the game, good to see nothing has changedyumtum [3k]: if he only lost twicekartopu: i love 9danskartopu: :D];B[hd]BL[207.236]C[ennuistic [1k]: game looks ok so farCardCaptor [1k]: alright... if u insist, ill comment on the gamemeuns [6k]: i love greenpigmeuns [6k]: :DToWeak [-]: we just see if he tartre or not.XenoQ [6k]: only kyus freaking out about this gameslinky [5k]: Hmmm Should white play away?Singer [10k]: Does his play resemble that of the original tartrate?slinky [5k]: Singer shhhhbedman [1d]: commeting would be useless with no filterskmr [1k]: Pete Liu won with gentlerain with white and no komi....silverodon: [9d] *freaks out*CardCaptor [1k]: i think white still has to defendStormer [3k]: something like c10CardCaptor [1k]: right];W[cc]WL[340.587]C[slinky [5k]: silverodon lolCardCaptor [1k]: yeahDesent [15k]: so what does the nine dan think?meuns [6k]: looool silve...mike2096 [6k]: i think blacks winingParadize [2k]: H16 mistake ?CardCaptor [1k]: now black can take cornerHarmony [-]: oh interesting moveNateC [1k]: I'd say w is behind except o14 was nice access to the centerCardCaptor [1k]: or extendTasselhof [4k]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?path=BadHabits&page=UsingHighDanGamesAsChatRoomskamoni [-]: C6wilibald [6k?]: suppose, main problem is not many people qualified to comment on the moves, so we just do the usual gossip :)Cimmerian [2d]: They appear to be playing GoBheeshma [7k]: so many new 9d's aroud];B[ke]BL[179.917];W[cj]WL[337.251]C[CardCaptor [1k]: ahappelsap [7k]: in reality i am 10d];B[fq]BL[173.51]C[skeng [7k]: tasselhof, but it's where the most active people are];W[dn]WL[330.157];B[dr]BL[170.995]C[uncola [9k]: why didnt black want that big point on the left side?];W[cq]WL[323.936];B[iq]BL[170.036]C[CardCaptor [1k]: he was concerned about l16 aji?Desent [15k]: you don't have to be qualified to comment on moves :)Zureiyaa [-]: r6?meuns [6k]: go mouton !kamoni [-]: wasn't capturing l16 small?Khouphrane [5d]: q6];W[qo]WL[310.168]C[CardCaptor [1k]: noKhouphrane [5d]: not far :)TheDuke [2d]: interesting game.CardCaptor [1k]: capturing is not smallCimmerian [2d]: black looks low on the bottonTheDuke [2d]: I'd rather to take white nowmilkshake [2d]: it had bad aji];B[qm]BL[151.356]C[Chuky [3d]: capturing settled k18chrono3450 [1d]: if W broke in that way, B's wall becomes almost uselessappelsap [7k]: what wall?bleach1 [13k]: wow everybodys hereStormer [3k]: i wonder why b did not choose kobayashi, he seemed thick in top right, would be good no?chrono3450 [1d]: F16 wall];W[pm]WL[289.106]C[Paradize [2k]: pincer o_oconover [12k]: 0.oCimmerian [2d]: Q7 rulesCardCaptor [1k]: maybe cus everyone knows kobayashi];B[pl]BL[139.254]C[appelsap [7k]: well not a chinese wall...slinky [5k]: oOCimmerian [2d]: this is the best moveplusguy [-]: i dunno why but this game doesnt feel tartrati'sh];W[op]WL[282.456]C[CardCaptor [1k]: ohCardCaptor [1k]: p4chrono3450 [1d]: pincer here makes sense since B is so low on bottom, playing another move there would be overconcentCardCaptor [1k]: hmmGay [4d]: cant be tartrate];B[oq]BL[124.887]C[slinky [5k]: Is this like a joseki?];W[np]WL[279.835]C[toughnak: all w does, not so go od . . ];B[nq]BL[123.988]C[TheDuke [2d]: looks like old josekiZT1LB [1d]: why cant itkelevra [2k?]: what's whites rank???Gay [4d]: tartrate would beat mouton alreadyhikaru78 [-]: go ehoever wins!!slinky [5k]: LOLappelsap [7k]: o3painful for wconover [12k]: i want 2 play himconover [12k]: 0.ohikaru78 [-]: whoever*Bheeshma [7k]: white 12dCardCaptor [1k]: o3 is okCardCaptor [1k]: but black has lots of territoryomgimbored: why is this game at topphalanx [2k]: even gametoughnak: even b not so go odkartopu: s3?kartopu: r6?sirbakaro [12k]: gah, shut up and watch the game >.>ennuistic [1k]: white in better shape so faruncola [9k]: an admin turned it into an event gameconover [12k]: what sir saidShinato [-]: ohCimmerian [2d]: P4 seems awfulconover [12k]: u guys abuse chat >.>kelevra [2k?]: is w pro?Javaness [-]: I hope everyone is enjoying watching the gameRakeliem [1k]: tartrate likes to leave stones cuddled like q7 seemsslinky [5k]: Yes sir java!Shinato [-]: yes sirWriZZ [2k]: it was javaconover [12k]: yes iam :)];W[om]WL[214.456]C[ennuistic [1k]: i dunno.chrono3450 [1d]: we definetly are, javacakesCimmerian [2d]: has anybody else seen P4 b4ennuistic [1k]: seems okappelsap [7k]: yes milordslinky [5k]: I cloned this];B[qn]BL[113.684]C[blizzard [?]: of course, thanks JavaCardCaptor [1k]: nopeCimmerian [2d]: allowing N4 seems awfulslinky [5k]: o.O I will show it to my children and my childrens childrenkencabbit [1d]: I don't recall seeing P4 beforemeuns [6k]: tartrate is so niceChuky [3d]: i did but seems mistakes to meCimmerian [2d]: i think it's normal to play P7 or Q6 firstslinky [5k]: Tartrate talked to me before his gentlerain game he is real nice];W[ro]WL[187.378]C[chrono3450 [1d]: <_..>];B[bk]BL[30]OB[3]C[NekoFang [14k]: :DDocWario [2k]: is this really the famouse tartrate ?Zureiyaa [-]: a11mike2096 [6k]: 57 for blackVade [6k]: b has some right side aswellmeuns [6k]: D12 ?Desent [15k]: black has no territory on the leftgentil [6d]: b 50 pointstoun [4k]: a14 kencabbit [1d]: on the one hand I want to cound, but on the other hand I'm trying to see what the good moves areRakeliem [1k]: c13 or a14];W[af]WL[30]OW[1]C[Zureiyaa [-]: a11ennuistic [1k]: so many weak groupsderPlumps [-]: docwario, no one will ever knowkencabbit [1d]: but I think white is not really in bad shape?Zureiyaa [-]: well this one works toodsaun [1k]: merci a gentilFrancisco [3d]: 56 top?lepore [2d]: dead?];B[lq]BL[30]OB[3]C[ennuistic [1k]: black gains a few more points by taking the bottom away from d4 groupuncola [9k]: the fact that w made so many weak groups gives me hope for my gamesDesent [15k]: Tartran makes bad shape into good shapeappelsap [7k]: no time for counting, so just play some random movesketchup [6k]: 30 sec is enough for countingchrono3450 [1d]: lol];W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]C[kartopu: m8?ennuistic [1k]: super big move];B[nk]BL[30]OB[3]C[Rakeliem [1k]: which?ennuistic [1k]: b6 >> m3Ijime [4k]: 30 sec is not enough for high level counting];W[kl]WL[30]OW[1]C[ketchup [6k]: as far as i knowsilverodon: b gave up on trying to kill somethingketchup [6k]: there is just countingShinato [-]: that's why u just estimate :Dennuistic [1k]: black is done.ebene: how could not be tartrare? it s is name...];B[im]BL[30]OB[3]C[mike2096 [6k]: black has lostennuistic [1k]: no spirit.Desent [15k]: IUtaware [2d]: its closeShinato [-]: how has black lost?Cimmerian [2d]: i love this. kgs is the best];W[ml]WL[30]OW[1]C[ketchup [6k]: lol];B[nl]BL[30]OB[3]C[gentil [6d]: w 10 points aheadSlain [1k]: Any highdan counted?mike2096 [6k]: black is merely trying ot sotp wmike2096 [6k]: not growingsirbakaro [12k]: ketchup!Slain [1k]: kketchup [6k]: cimmerian, i know your other account name dont i?powerchord [10k]: was the tartrate account erased in the meantime? so it is possible that this is not tartrateCimmerian [2d]: probablyketchup [6k]: just making sure it's you :)gentil [6d]: w 70 with komi];W[rl]WL[30]OW[1]C[Utaware [2d]: :0];B[ql]BL[30]OB[3]C[toughnak: p11 Stormer [3k]: ebene, kgs accounts expire after 6 months of being unused, people are speculating if this tartrate is the same one that played 5 years agogentil [6d]: b 50 maxichrono3450 [1d]: does T9 here work?Unvite: only high dans can count?Shinato [-]: exactlypowerchord [10k]: thx Stormer];W[nm]WL[30]OW[1]C[mike2096 [6k]: no];B[ai]BL[30]OB[3]C[Desent [15k]: s8?Ashurai [3k]: as much as people talk about tartrate and how amazing he is.. this doesn't seem like.. i dunno, legendary play, but i'm weak so woteverSlain [1k]: Unvite: Their counting is more accurate ^^ennuistic [1k]: ?gal [7k]: A12];W[bd]WL[30]OW[1]C[saxo [2d]: c13asap [5k]: hmmmKhouphrane [5d]: in ordre to play B18ketchup [6k]: ashurai, that's because the level of play in kgs has risenennuistic [1k]: hahZureiyaa [-]: hmmmmmmmmmm??Ashurai [3k]: i cChemBoy613 [-]: yeah i agree with ketchupGay [4d]: roflennuistic [1k]: more easy pointsChemBoy613 [-]: top KGS players are now very strongZureiyaa [-]: isn't this a very bad moveGay [4d]: b16 ^^omgimbored: uh ohHarmony [-]: why would it be ?Gay [4d]: hahaDesent [15k]: black is doneZureiyaa [-]: ah, nomstarsup5 [-]: this tartrate is not the same (even if the account is still the same) that played gentlerain 4 months ago];B[ae]BL[30]OB[2]C[Prodigious [3d]: Doesn't seem like a bad moveennuistic [1k]: threatens to connect instead zureiyaaCardCaptor [1k]: im glad everyone is strongerStormer [3k]: it is good timing, answer a force with a force];W[cg]WL[30]OW[1]C[omgimbored: deadZureiyaa [-]: i missed c13 kill4fun [2d]: top kgs players only prosZureiyaa [-]: yesSinger [10k]: Bad moves are not a feature of tartrate!Gerrit1 [1d]: it's aliveZureiyaa [-]: then it looks like a good move :)ketchup [6k]: kill4fun no..appelsap [7k]: w livesketchup [6k]: there are a few amateurs that are 9d on kgs..];B[kn]BL[30]OB[2]C[markwebb [5k]: w+resParadize [2k]: A11 rlly nicemike2096 [6k]: arpund 60 for black.... about 66.5 for blackGay [4d]: b16 nice moveDesent [15k]: white was alive a long time ago methinksennuistic [1k]: very few.kill4fun [2d]: saichina and hyang are prosGay [4d]: me missed it too];W[ln]WL[30]OW[1]C[ToWeak [-]: maby it is tartreketchup [6k]: ennuistic, very few that are 9d in general :Pchrono3450 [1d]: hyang is pro? since when?ketchup [6k]: retired 1pchrono3450 [1d]: ahketchup [6k]: or something of that sortIceborg [6k]: hyang 1 dan proKhouphrane [5d]: close game];B[nh]BL[30]OB[2]C[Francisco [3d]: EvenSlain [1k]: clsnow also proketchup [6k]: at least the AGA bio i read on him stated retired 1p, a long time ago..saxo [2d]: o12 hugeDesent [15k]: big moveZureiyaa [-]: looks even game to mekgs1d [1k]: sususu=hyang=somerville???ennuistic [1k]: white is still ahead.alexs2: s7?slinky [5k]: who is mouton?ChemBoy613 [-]: hyang was 1pmike2096 [6k]: white + komiChemBoy613 [-]: retiredkill4fun [2d]: ttp://senseis.xmp.net/?YangHuirenShinato [-]: it is close];W[lj]WL[30]OW[1]C[powerchord [10k]: i think the real tartrate is a strong korean proslinky [5k]: is he an old pro?Zureiyaa [-]: black might even be ahead....];B[mi]BL[30]OB[2]C[mike2096 [6k]: ah w reduced in sentemike2096 [6k]: nicelapindix [6k?]: Q13Francisco [3d]: Yesketchup [6k]: p15];W[of]WL[30]OW[1]C[cdaugustin [8k]: is 1p stronger than 9d kgs? (just a curiosity)];B[pg]BL[30]OB[2]C[Ashurai [3k]: ialways thought tartrate was japanese...Shinato [-]: yesmike2096 [6k]: mostlychrono3450 [1d]: wowNekoFang [14k]: yes];W[jp]WL[30]OW[1]C[slinky [5k]: 7dkgs = 1pchrono3450 [1d]: B just made a ton];B[jq]BL[30]OB[2]C[Khouphrane [5d]: b2waya91 [-]: 1p= 7-8d kgs];W[mj]WL[30]OW[1]C[ketchup [6k]: k9 cut soon?miao [5d]: lol];B[nj]BL[30]OB[2]C[Zureiyaa [-]: b2 is hugeslinky [5k]: there is a 7d kgs that is 1-kill4fun [2d]: dont have many diference betwen 1p and 9p];W[br]WL[30]OW[1]C[slinky [5k]: a0miao [5d]: 9d 1p];B[bs]BL[30]OB[2]C[Ijime [4k]: 9d can be indefinately strongappelsap [7k]: tartrate is just a go program executed by a quantum computer...limestruck [1k]: 9p kgs 9d, because 9d highest kgs rankDesent [15k]: then why aren't all the 7d+ pro?];W[ar]WL[30]OW[1];B[dh]BL[30]OB[2];W[eh]WL[30]OW[1]C[meuns [6k]: insanely strong meuns [6k]: :Dslinky [5k]: Takes time desent :PAshurai [3k]: and a pro exam];B[qb]BL[30]OB[2]C[Eoan [2k]: better things to do than play goZureiyaa [-]: r18 gal [7k]: HAVE 9Palexs2: wasnt e12 wasting a ko threat?];W[pb]WL[30]OW[1]C[Zureiyaa [-]: wingal [7k]: jujo no?Melancholy [1k]: special event tonight ?Xynosis [2k]: t7?alexs2: d12, sorrywilibald [6k?]: would be interesting if the strength of pro dan question only happens 1 time per game];B[rb]BL[30]OB[2];W[sm]WL[30]OW[1]C[Utaware [2d]: S6 is bigennuistic [1k]: its a pointXynosis [2k]: :D];B[rk]BL[30]OB[2]C[ketchup [6k]: g7 then k9?Farouche [-]: is this tartrate real?mike2096 [6k]: 544 obs... man w is makign close gameZureiyaa [-]: a16 silverodon: and kgs 7d certainly not enough to become pro... some of the 9ds here didn't managemike2096 [6k]: tooXynosis [2k]: yes real tartrateDesent [15k]: good reductionkmr [1k]: 9p should be [9d?] until he meet other 9p or aboutkgs1d [1k]: K6Zureiyaa [-]: a16 must!];W[jn]WL[30]OW[1];B[jm]BL[30]OB[2];W[km]WL[30]OW[1];B[in]BL[30]OB[2]C[Zureiyaa [-]: b17 !];W[eq]WL[30]OW[1];B[er]BL[30]OB[2]C[mike2096 [6k]: g10 ];W[jo]WL[30]OW[1]C[miao [5d]: 10 friends in this gameZureiyaa [-]: b17 now :.